Reverse Hub Impression 1861 CSA 1 Cent

It will be interesting to see what new info you gather.

Bashlow also has a continental dollar restrike like this token
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONTINENTAL-DOLLAR-BRONZE-RESTRIKE-COLONIAL-COIN_W0QQitemZ220297776487QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual

and confederate half dollar restrikes token

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-BASHLOW-CONFEDERATE-HALF-DOLLAR-RESTRIKE-SET_W0QQitemZ330281665497QQcmdZViewItemQQptZExonumia?hash=item330281665497&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318
and others.

 

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Thanks for the 1st, I was already following the 2nd but way too much for my budget! Just a thought though; these can't be that valuable or highly sought after if the 1st is selling at only $75. Unless the Bashlow Re-Strike become recognized as Varieties or whatever by the Grading Co's or priced in Collector Catalog's their probably not really worth investing in on a large scale. Your thoughts...

TKD

 

I think you are correct. However, whenever any event comes along that emphasizes the history of the civil war or Lincoln, it tends to increase the desirability of such items. I collected mine, not for such, but just the idea of the restrikes interested me at the time. Just within the last 6 months did I obtain the Continental dollar restrike and it was because my interest in it was stimulated by a thread here. These are coins my eventual heirs will wonder about, but I will put a note on them.

This forum has saved me money, but also has cost me money in buying new areas.

Jim

 

As per your 1st line, a near futur event would be in 2011 - 150th Aninversary! Timing is Everything, or almost! Thanks for sharing! TKD

 

Those are not transfer dies, they are pieces that were struck by the transfer hubs created from the original dies. Some might call them Hub trials.

If you go back up to the letter from Bashlow to Tom Delorey that DesertGem posted you find

What he has is a set of those Hub trial pieces.

 

Hey Condor101, you could be on to something, and I did think about that already and ruled it out. Maybe too fast but my pieces are not bronze and are not goldine. They are a silver colored metal, possibly stainless (quite heavy for the thickness-less than a cent) and look like they were tempered. They also have lines to line up the obverse & reverse, so they were very possibly used to stamp out some pieces, depending on his set-up but without any photos of what he's talkng about, or what process he actually used it's really up in the air. I guess all we can do is take jabs at it. I'm still waiting for a reply from Harold Levi as to what he thinks but would appreciate and consider all ideas. At this point anything is possible as there are no eye witnesses present, lol.

TKD
In 1961, how Old was Bashlow, is he still alive...?

 

Follow-up on my last comment about my ruling them out as trial pieces. They are of a hard metal so I'm not sure he would have stamped into a hard metal and chance breaking the Hubs? He said they were Bronze & Goldine which as far as I know are much softer than the hubs or dies. This was my reasoning, possibly flawed but only thing I could come up with. I will probably take them tomorrow or Friday to a metal shop to see if the can identify the metal. If I can ascertain what it actually is, that might narrow it down quite a bit.

Other Details: I just put a magnet to them, and they are not magnetic & the fields are Flush with the outer rim. The impression side of the metal is totally flat but the opposite sides have a curved bevel from the outside circle to the edge.

 

I think Condor101 is right but I'm going to have the metal tested to see what it is. I found this recent auction for 2 almost identical pieces:
http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=462&Lot_No=81408#Photo

 

They sold for over $1000.00 US ! But I was told by someone who is somewhat of an expert on this that they are worth around $125/set. So that person over paid by about $900.00

They are probably only worth what a collector is willing to pay and what a seller is willing to let them go for.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread!

TKD

 

Hey Jim, I was just wondering about the thickness & Diameter of the Bronze, Silver & Goldine cents. Do you have the precise dimensions in mm & decimal (1000ths/inch)? Wouls be appreciated to know...Thanks TKD

 

TKD,

I will go to the bank this afternoon and get them to measure and weigh. I don't have a silver available to measure.

Jim

 

Great, thanks! No rush!

 

One the metal was probably annealed and softer when theywere impress by the hubs and then hardened. Two, once the transfer dies were finished and the restrikes made ten you can make the hub trials wihout concern. Don't let the word trials mak you thin that they have to be made first. It's like a lot of "pattern" coins that were struck sometimes years later than the date on the coins.

 

Interesting perception Condor101, thanks for your input, appreciated! TKD

 

If you use the photo in post #2, from left to right

Coin 1 ( different design) 3.56 grams, 19.98 mm diameter, 1.73 mm thickness

restrikes:
Coin 2 duller copper 5.54 grams, 19.24 mm diameter, 2.10 mm thick
Coin 3 goldine 6.46 grams, 19.10 mm diameter, 2.88 thick
Coin 4 bright copper 6.73 grams, 19.10 mm diameter, 3.02 mm thick

coin 2 appears to be a "thin" planchet and 3 & 4 "thick" planchets.

Jim

 

Thanks Jim appreciated! I checked the one I rec'ed (Bright Copper) in the Hub Impression and it sits in perfectly (no play on the rev or obv). I guess they could be used as a good counterfeit detector, lol.