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Message:: [QUOTE="coppermania, post: 1533548, member: 18304"]It's called tuition. When I first started collecting I had tons of raw coins that I later found out had problems. Over a 4 year period I had bought Lincoln cents that had been tooled, whizzed, recolored, intentionally toned, etc. I had others that were winners as well, I just didn't know the difference at the time.  Looking back I figure I had 10g in this collection when I started sending them into tpgs. I quickly learned some lessons. I took some lumps for sure and the winners mostly covered the mistakes and after I got out of that set of coins I mostly broke even on the dough but then I could see the problems and had the education. I started collecting again with new eyes and even attended the summer seminar grading week, more tuition. I now enjoy buying raw coins that are tpg  gradeable but usually use the info to buy solid coins for the grade already slabbed. Even still, I recently bought a 10d Indian raw that pcgs said was cleaned. I would never go back to my dealer can cry on his shoulder or look for one here. It could have easily come back a 63 and then what, brag about how good I made out? I took a shot and that's the hobby, interesting on so many levels.. Matt[/QUOTE]