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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2500977, member: 112&quot;]Ya know, there&#039;s little that really gets my hackles up more than something like that ! And no, I don&#039;t mean at you Cal - I mean at the idea.</p><p><br /></p><p>We have a coin that has been admittedly harshly cleaned and tooled - and yet it is being hawked as MS. Say what ??? In what universe does something like that happen ? In what universe CAN something like that happen ????</p><p><br /></p><p>Oh wait I forgot - it&#039;s this universe <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This exactly why, precisely why, I&#039;ll be nice here and say &quot;upset&quot; when the TPGs decided to start slabbing problem coins back in, what was it, 2007 ? This post made by Cal, and thousands, tens of thousands, of others just like it are the result of that decision.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ever since the very advent of grading it was admitted and recognized that problem coins did not have a grade, could not even be graded - because they were problem coins. And for the first 20 years of their existence the TPGs absolutely refused to slab any problem coin. And they promised, swore up and down in writing, that they would never, ever, not in this universe or some other - slab a problem coin. And then in 2007 they threw all those promises and pledges out the window. Threw out the very foundation, the corner stone, of grading - and began slabbing problem coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>And what do have now ? We have a collector, like Cal, who because of this sees nothing wrong with a dealer offering a coin that has been harshly cleaned AND tooled, and yet is describing that coin as MS. And Cal says - no intent to defraud.</p><p><br /></p><p>Say what ? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie100" alt=":wideyed:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I mean what in the world do ya call that ? The term MS shouldn&#039;t even be allowed on the same page of advertising or description of that coin ! MS is being used as a false enticement to lessen the negative facts regarding that coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I mean I see as a used car dealer hawking his wares by saying - look at this car over here, it&#039;s only got 387,000 miles on it, only runs on 3 cylinders, the seats are only torn in 18 places, but we just hand waxed it and she&#039;s a beauty ! And best of all she can be yours for only 5 grand !</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I have no problem with people selling problem coins when they list what those problems are, none at all. What I do have a problem with is when at the very same time they use the term MS in conjunction with their offer ! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie56" alt=":inpain:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>OK, end of rant.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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