Retail or wholesale, somewhere inbetween?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by brandon spiegel, Dec 4, 2015.

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Redbook,greysheets,somewhere inbetween

Poll closed Jan 1, 2016.
  1. Redbook

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  2. Greysheets

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  3. Somewhere inbetween (please specify below)

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    33.3%
  4. other (please specify below)

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    22.2%
  5. None of the above (please specify above)

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  1. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

     
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  3. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    I think this product could stand a good chance of getting lost on Amazon, IMHO.
     
  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Brandon, you need something unique........something that no one else has......paradigm........until you find that subject your project is doomed to failure.
     
  5. GDJMSP

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  6. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You're planning on selling coins as part of your starter kits. Do you really think any coin dealer is going allow you to compete with him in his own shop ? He doesn't want to sell your coins - he wants to sell HIS coins.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Brandon -

    I admire the fact that you are trying hard to make your idea work. All too few of our young people would even think about trying to start a business, let alone actually try to start one. But what you are trying to do just isn't a viable idea, for many reasons. First and foremost there are already many, many, businesses and some of them big businesses, already doing what you are trying to do. And you simply cannot compete with them - with this particular idea.

    What you can do however is become a coin dealer. Read a little about the history of Q. David Bowers. He was your age, or younger, when he got started. And look at what he became.

    Becoming a successful coin dealer is not an easy task by any means, but it can be done. And there will never be a better time for you to start than right now while you are as young as you are. In fact your age may well give you an advantage that adults, people much older than you, could never have. So if you wish to pursue business then try going in that direction, consider becoming a coin dealer in the traditional sense, the simple buying and selling of coins.
     
  9. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    Awesome! thank you for the advice, what do you think of becoming a vest-pocket dealer?
     
  10. FCC1992

    FCC1992 New Member

    Blue book, grey sheet, and experience on supply and demand for purchasing with caution! Red book, auction prices, etc. for retail prices with a discount for buyers who spend a little more.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It can be a good way to start, but to be even relatively successful one needs to have a certain level of knowledge first. Honestly, the best advice I can give you would be for you to find a part time job working in a local coin shop, even if it was just cleaning the place up after closing, at first. And being able to hang out a bit. You could pick up a good deal of knowledge just from that exposure. And hopefully, once your desire to learn becomes evident to the owner, he will take the time to actually teach you.

    The journey of life begins with small steps. Taking too big of steps, or leaps, often leads to disappointment or even abject failure.
     
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  12. The Morgan Guy

    The Morgan Guy New Member

    Blue Book
     
  13. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    Cool, why would you say the blue book?
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Good question, because 99% of the people involved in numismatics know better than to even waste their time looking at the Blue Book. To be honest, I am utterly amazed that it's even printed anymore - but it is.
     
  15. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


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    sotheby's
     
  16. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Gillian Anderson......Sullabies. They used to do auctions on The X-Files?

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  17. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I pretty much love the X-Files, gotta love Scully and Mulder
     
  18. brandon spiegel

    brandon spiegel Brandon Spiegel

    Thats interesting. Why would you say that the book is not a good one to look at, and oh yah thank you so much for the idea to become a coin dealer. What if i became a small coin dealer on amazon? do you feel that that option would might be a good option to pursue?
     
  19. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    The book, other than perhaps when buying extreme widgets (and even then) is essentially worthless. It's not going to help you in your quest, Brandon; the best thing you can do is to learn your market.

    As for being a small dealer on Amazon, first things first. It's easy to think of selling, but do you have anything to sell, and if not, how do you plan on acquiring it? What about replenishing sold inventory? Have you researched the venue to see if it's even viable for what you want to do? Even this may be too far ahead into the future... do you know what you want to sell, and by this I don't mean (just as an example) Mercs, but do you know the series and all that comes with it? Can you properly grade to an accepted standard, and can you truly identify counterfeit, altered, doctored, problem, etc, etc coins? If not, well, this is where you need to start. By not truly knowing your wares, you would not only open yourself up to the possibility of angry customers on one end (among other things), but also of leaving money on the table in the other, and this isn't even considering the disasters that could very well happen when buying inventory. The point is that there's a lot more to selling coins than simply wanting to sell coins, and unlike many retail businesses, you need to, more often than not, know more about the product than your customers. Short of offering sucker bait to fools, knowledge is the key here if you want any reasonable chance of succeeding.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Brandon there is much to know when it comes to coins, more than you can even imagine. To put that into perspective for you I first began studying coins in 1960, and there is still much that I have to learn. I could spend a lot of time here telling you "why" the Blue Book is worthless, but just take my word for it, it is worse than worthless.

    I have already given you the best advice I can give you about how to become a coin dealer. There is no easy way and no shortcuts. It requires a lot of work, a lot of study, and a lot of experience. And yes you have to go through all of that.

    As for Amazon, forget about it. In a nutshell Amazon failed as a coin selling venue even before ebay became "the" coin venue.
     
  21. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    funny
     
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