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<p>[QUOTE="tenacious, post: 677859, member: 14553"]Of course it's always best to buy from known reputable dealers. But for those who still want to buy from eBay I suggest the following.</p><p><br /></p><p>We see people buying fakes all the time on eBay. And I think why didn't they do some research first? There are some very good fakes on eBay that can fool a lot of people. <b>But I feel that if buyers would at least research the <u>sellers</u> first, they could eliminate a large amount of fake buys.</b> I'm talking about the sellers that are only and intentionally selling fakes. These sellers are mostly known and listed if you know where to look. Hence this post.</p><p><br /></p><p>Much of this information is already well known. I'm posting it especially for new collectors, or collectors new to ancients or Spanish Colonial coins.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>First, the Seller's eBay Feedback</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Although 100% Positive feedback means nothing, (I see very bad and dishonest sellers that have 100% Positives), <i>Negative feedbacks</i> do mean something.</p><p><br /></p><p>But eBay makes it hard to go through a seller's feedback history especially if it's large. But <b>Toolhaus</b> makes that easy.</p><p><br /></p><p>To get an easy to read page of the seller's eBay feedback, go to <a href="http://www.toolhaus.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.toolhaus.org/" rel="nofollow">Toolhaus</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then for example, enter the seller's eBay ID under <b>Negative/Neutral Feedback</b>, hit enter, now see the seller's negative feedbacks in a easy to read form.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>To research Latin American / Spanish Colonial coin eBay sellers</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>There's an unbelieveable amount of fake Pillars and other Spanish Colonials on eBay. And they're sold <i>every</i> week. And often by the same sellers, week after week. There is a forum on eBay itself that does a great job exposing and reporting this numistrash, the <a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.ebay.com%2Fclubforum%21boards.jspa%3FforumID%3D1600018501%26anticache%3D1251742823199" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.ebay.com%2Fclubforum%21boards.jspa%3FforumID%3D1600018501%26anticache%3D1251742823199" rel="nofollow">Latin Coin Discussion Board</a>. It is a subgroup of <b>Coin Forgery eBay</b>.</p><p><br /></p><p>This group really gets my respect.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is a small group. The post frequency is low and there's not a lot of members. But they are constantly posting fake coin eBay auctions and exposing the sellers. Their policing and reporting gets a lot of the fake auctions canceled. There is a very small, but knowledgeable, core group of the forum that does this. But they are not just loose cannons. They strike me as careful in their accusations.</p><p><br /></p><p>I thank them for their, often thankless, vigilance.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>If buyers, especially those inexperienced in Spanish Colonial coinage, would do a search on this forum first for any seller's name they are considering buying from, I think many fake buys could be avoided.</b></p><p><br /></p><p><b>NOTE:</b> This is a private group. It's to prevent the fake seller's from coming in and causing trouble. If you want to join you have to be invited by a member. If you want to join PM me your eBay ID and I will recommend you. You also might have to register with eBay Groups in general first.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>To research Ancient coin eBay sellers</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>As with Spanish Colonial coinage, every week their are many fake ancients sold. Not only are they constantly sold by the same sellers, these sellers often sell the exact same fake cast over and over. But these sellers are mostly known and listed if you know where to look. </p><p><br /></p><p>First two Yahoo groups. I can't remember but you might have to join to join the group to see the posts. But it's worth it.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/" rel="nofollow">CoinForgeryDiscussionList</a> The group's title is self explanatory. Daily posts discussing and exposing fake coins and sellers. I believe this is their latest <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/message/26257" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/message/26257" rel="nofollow">Black List of Sellers</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moneta-L/messages" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moneta-L/messages" rel="nofollow">Moneta-L</a> Although not specifically a group about fakes and fake sellers, they are occasionally discussed. And if you collect ancients it's a group worth joining.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0" rel="nofollow">Fake Ancient Coin Reports and Discussion</a> is a subforum of <b>Forvm Ancient Coins</b>. Some of the most experienced and knowledgeable collectors and dealers post there. If there is a coin you're not sure about post it on Fake Ancient Coin Reports and Discussion. </p><p><br /></p><p>But here is their <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0" rel="nofollow">Notorious Fake Sellers List</a>. It is updated often.</p><p><br /></p><p>And here is their gallery of fakes <a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php" rel="nofollow">Fake Ancient Coin Reports</a>. I suggest looking through the fakes of your collecting area. It's a good education.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>If buyers, especially those inexperienced in ancient coins, would do a search on the above forums and/or their Black Lists first for any eBay seller's name they are considering buying from, I think many fake buys could be avoided.</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>And last there is <a href="http://www.forgerynetwork.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forgerynetwork.com/" rel="nofollow">ForgeryNetwork</a> Although not a site that you can search for seller's names. It is still a good place to look through and familiarize yourself with the fakes of your collecting area. Just go through and select your Class and Categories on the left.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>One last time - <b>The whole point of this post is that if prospective buyers of sellers unknown to them would just search for the <u>seller's</u> <u>name</u> on the above sources, the worst of the sellers would be exposed and avoided.</b></p><p><br /></p><p>I'm just tired of seeing those fake sellers getting away with it week after week.</p><p><br /></p><p>If this post saves one person from buying a fake I will be happy.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="tenacious, post: 677859, member: 14553"]Of course it's always best to buy from known reputable dealers. But for those who still want to buy from eBay I suggest the following. We see people buying fakes all the time on eBay. And I think why didn't they do some research first? There are some very good fakes on eBay that can fool a lot of people. [B]But I feel that if buyers would at least research the [U]sellers[/U] first, they could eliminate a large amount of fake buys.[/B] I'm talking about the sellers that are only and intentionally selling fakes. These sellers are mostly known and listed if you know where to look. Hence this post. Much of this information is already well known. I'm posting it especially for new collectors, or collectors new to ancients or Spanish Colonial coins. [B]First, the Seller's eBay Feedback[/B] Although 100% Positive feedback means nothing, (I see very bad and dishonest sellers that have 100% Positives), [I]Negative feedbacks[/I] do mean something. But eBay makes it hard to go through a seller's feedback history especially if it's large. But [B]Toolhaus[/B] makes that easy. To get an easy to read page of the seller's eBay feedback, go to [URL="http://www.toolhaus.org/"]Toolhaus[/URL]. Then for example, enter the seller's eBay ID under [B]Negative/Neutral Feedback[/B], hit enter, now see the seller's negative feedbacks in a easy to read form. [B]To research Latin American / Spanish Colonial coin eBay sellers[/B] There's an unbelieveable amount of fake Pillars and other Spanish Colonials on eBay. And they're sold [I]every[/I] week. And often by the same sellers, week after week. There is a forum on eBay itself that does a great job exposing and reporting this numistrash, the [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.ebay.com%2Fclubforum%21boards.jspa%3FforumID%3D1600018501%26anticache%3D1251742823199"]Latin Coin Discussion Board[/URL]. It is a subgroup of [B]Coin Forgery eBay[/B]. This group really gets my respect. This is a small group. The post frequency is low and there's not a lot of members. But they are constantly posting fake coin eBay auctions and exposing the sellers. Their policing and reporting gets a lot of the fake auctions canceled. There is a very small, but knowledgeable, core group of the forum that does this. But they are not just loose cannons. They strike me as careful in their accusations. I thank them for their, often thankless, vigilance. [B]If buyers, especially those inexperienced in Spanish Colonial coinage, would do a search on this forum first for any seller's name they are considering buying from, I think many fake buys could be avoided.[/B] [B]NOTE:[/B] This is a private group. It's to prevent the fake seller's from coming in and causing trouble. If you want to join you have to be invited by a member. If you want to join PM me your eBay ID and I will recommend you. You also might have to register with eBay Groups in general first. [B]To research Ancient coin eBay sellers[/B] As with Spanish Colonial coinage, every week their are many fake ancients sold. Not only are they constantly sold by the same sellers, these sellers often sell the exact same fake cast over and over. But these sellers are mostly known and listed if you know where to look. First two Yahoo groups. I can't remember but you might have to join to join the group to see the posts. But it's worth it. [URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/"]CoinForgeryDiscussionList[/URL] The group's title is self explanatory. Daily posts discussing and exposing fake coins and sellers. I believe this is their latest [URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CoinForgeryDiscussionList/message/26257"]Black List of Sellers[/URL]. [URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Moneta-L/messages"]Moneta-L[/URL] Although not specifically a group about fakes and fake sellers, they are occasionally discussed. And if you collect ancients it's a group worth joining. [URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0"]Fake Ancient Coin Reports and Discussion[/URL] is a subforum of [B]Forvm Ancient Coins[/B]. Some of the most experienced and knowledgeable collectors and dealers post there. If there is a coin you're not sure about post it on Fake Ancient Coin Reports and Discussion. But here is their [URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0"]Notorious Fake Sellers List[/URL]. It is updated often. And here is their gallery of fakes [URL="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/index.php"]Fake Ancient Coin Reports[/URL]. I suggest looking through the fakes of your collecting area. It's a good education. [B]If buyers, especially those inexperienced in ancient coins, would do a search on the above forums and/or their Black Lists first for any eBay seller's name they are considering buying from, I think many fake buys could be avoided.[/B] And last there is [URL="http://www.forgerynetwork.com/"]ForgeryNetwork[/URL] Although not a site that you can search for seller's names. It is still a good place to look through and familiarize yourself with the fakes of your collecting area. Just go through and select your Class and Categories on the left. One last time - [B]The whole point of this post is that if prospective buyers of sellers unknown to them would just search for the [U]seller's[/U] [U]name[/U] on the above sources, the worst of the sellers would be exposed and avoided.[/B] I'm just tired of seeing those fake sellers getting away with it week after week. If this post saves one person from buying a fake I will be happy.[/QUOTE]
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