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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 690510, member: 57463"]<b>Wheat and Chaff</b></p><p><br /></p><p>... well, I thought so, too, at first... but GoldCoinLover's intentions being admirable, the delivery was problematic.</p><p><br /></p><p>For one thing, the example of the 1958/59 Wheat Mule <b>contradicts the thesis</b> that common objects are more likely forged. Here was not a 55-DDO or even a Modern Commemorative, but a unique coin. The thesis is that forgers make the coins that most collectors buy. This was not such an example.</p><p><br /></p><p>Moreover, because it was unique it won hard inspection and yet apparently fooled the experts. </p><p><br /></p><p>Randy Campbell's query based on the die polish marks is easy to answer: Seeing that the wrong reverse was chucked in, the press was stopped. Perhaps all of that run were immediately destroyed, but a worker slipped out one. Moreover, Randy Campbell's gut feeling might be reliable, but it is not replicable. Apparently, the Secret Service and other experts at PCGS had other "gut feelings." </p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, it was perhaps futile to rely on the Secret Service statement that they could <b>not</b> prove that the coin was <b>not</b> made at a US Mint. Falsifiability is a hallmark of positivism -- in other words a scientific proof requires a standard and proof requires evidence. <b>Lack of a disproof is not a proof.</b> </p><p><br /></p><p>A more cogent question is where has the coin been for 40 years? </p><p><br /></p><p>Apparently, everyone but me knows that the Charles M. Larson book referenced at the opening is <i>Numismatic Forgery</i> (Irvine, California: Zyrus Press, 2003). </p><p><br /></p><p>Mike M.</p><p>Michael E. Marotta</p><p>------------------</p><p>"Critical thinking: employ it."</p><p>----------------------------[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 690510, member: 57463"][b]Wheat and Chaff[/b] ... well, I thought so, too, at first... but GoldCoinLover's intentions being admirable, the delivery was problematic. For one thing, the example of the 1958/59 Wheat Mule [B]contradicts the thesis[/B] that common objects are more likely forged. Here was not a 55-DDO or even a Modern Commemorative, but a unique coin. The thesis is that forgers make the coins that most collectors buy. This was not such an example. Moreover, because it was unique it won hard inspection and yet apparently fooled the experts. Randy Campbell's query based on the die polish marks is easy to answer: Seeing that the wrong reverse was chucked in, the press was stopped. Perhaps all of that run were immediately destroyed, but a worker slipped out one. Moreover, Randy Campbell's gut feeling might be reliable, but it is not replicable. Apparently, the Secret Service and other experts at PCGS had other "gut feelings." Finally, it was perhaps futile to rely on the Secret Service statement that they could [B]not[/B] prove that the coin was [B]not[/B] made at a US Mint. Falsifiability is a hallmark of positivism -- in other words a scientific proof requires a standard and proof requires evidence. [B]Lack of a disproof is not a proof.[/B] A more cogent question is where has the coin been for 40 years? Apparently, everyone but me knows that the Charles M. Larson book referenced at the opening is [I]Numismatic Forgery[/I] (Irvine, California: Zyrus Press, 2003). Mike M. Michael E. Marotta ------------------ "Critical thinking: employ it." ----------------------------[/QUOTE]
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