References? Germ. States (Ravensburg) Kreuzer - 1622

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  1. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    Hi folks,

    I got this today, as an unidentified coin. I understand why the work was not taken to entirely attribute it considering it only has one side. However, the coins were struck this way as found in my research.

    Here is the Numista listing, which is apparently KM# 21, and NAU#19

    Does anyone have one of these references? Numista has it as an incredibly rare coin, and my searches through auction house records and MA-shops only brought up one example for sale. No TPGs have certified a coin of this type.

    The one on appears to have a nicer strike, although it has some pretty ugly scratches on the blank reverse, while mine remained pristine in comparison. MA-shops example below, up for 130 Euros.

    So, who has a reference for this? Or know its worth? It's a small free city, so I guess there are very few out there.


    Here is mine:
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  3. chuckylucky5

    chuckylucky5 Well-Known Member

    Herre is what KM has:
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  4. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    Thanks, I don't have the 17th century Krause. I only have 1700-present.

    I may attempt to submit, once I get a few more items to piggyback. I like German states coins, and this one is especially intriguing to me.
  5. expat

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  6. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    From your own link in #1...
    I'm guessing City of Ravensburg... :)
  7. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    Doesn't it seem like yours is like the mirror image in a way? It looks to me like the parts that are raised on the other example are inset on yours and vice versa.

    Edit: never mind, now I don't see it.
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  8. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    That is just lighting, it is not incused. Now that you say that, I can imagine it both ways. Trippy!
  9. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Funny, it's playing with my eyes too
  10. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It would also be in the Krause German coins 1501-date. As with most Krause volumes, there are errors and inconsistencies but I like this for a good general reference on German state coins. I'm pretty certain that the info in German coins is the same as the 17th century, 18th century, etc volumes, but my references are all boxed and waiting to find a new spot for the library after a recent move. Was recently hit with some significant health issues and am concentrating on fixing those and getting back to my normal routine, so some things have been put on hold.

    My Krause volumes are in the upper left of the Ancient, Medieval, and World bookshelf, plus a couple older duplicates on the bottom. There are also a few specialty German state books on the third shelf.

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  11. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    Quite a nice shelf.
    I love my Krause books, I used to use it for every coin I owned.
    You have quite a nice shelf. I looked up the 1500-date German states book, but its over 300 dollars on Amazon, along with the fact the book is now a decade old. I was fortunate enough to find 2 of the 4 books I have at Barnes and Noble a few years back, but the others were shipped, and not cheap.

    Which books have proven essential?
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  12. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It depends on what you have. I've used all of them somewhat regularly. If you only have German coins or 20th century coins then you only need those volumes. If you're like me and have some of everything, all are useful. But I would be very very hesitant to pay those high premiums.

    Just to clarify, I come from the pre internet stone age when books were the only source of info. Outside of the Redbook there wasn't much out there and there really wasn't a good way to even know if other stuff existed. I remember when I was in HS, trading a Good 1886 V nickel to a dealer for a 1982 Krause World coins when it first came out. I think this was the first or second edition (and I got the HS librarian to put a nice protective cover on it). By the early 90s lots of specialty volumes were coming out and i was buying lots of them from Sandford Durst or Brooklyn Galleries. Sometimes I would buy a book to attribute a cheap junk box find.
  13. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    Neat coin! I've got some tiny silver uniface pfennigs from Nurnberg I love.
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  14. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    I only found this one on


    The problem is that the big auction houses don't give much love to German States minor coinage. It is scarce but it would be difficult to determine how scarce.

    The op said something about sending it to a TPG which is fine. Just keep in mind, it will probably not increase the value of the coin. The biggest market for this coin would be in Europe and they typically don't want coins in holders.

    It reminds me of this coin that I have. I purchased it in the holder.

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  15. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    What a nice, full strike coin you have there. May I ask how that graded? It’s very pretty.

    I wasn’t going to send it off alone, rather piggyback it on a submission I’ve been building for a number of years.
  16. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    It's graded MS63 RB

    I'm not at all against you getting it graded, just wanted to make sure that you didn't think that would make it a more "sellable" coin.
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  17. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis College Dorm Collector Supporter

    Yeah. I plan to keep it for a bit, but she’s a thin coin and I’m scared of breaking it o_O

    But if I do ever decide to sell, I’d like to think that added liquidity from being encapsulated would get some more eyes on it. But yeah, I do plan to keep it around for a while. I find it very attractive and it’s small size is very appealing to me.
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