Reference of G M 31 ??

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  1. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    I have a coin (believed to be) of Philip IV of Spain with the reference of "G M 31" and I was hoping that someone might be able to identify the source of the reference (G M) for me, please.

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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I can't help, but it looks like "C.M." to me
     
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  4. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    Clifford Mishler?
     
  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

    In my 17th century Krause World Coin catalog. Netherlands/Zeeland... It has a KM#15 reference #, Bust of Prince Maurice right.
     
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  6. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Possibly? He did author books on Coins.
     
  7. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    My Krause only lists from 18th Century onwards, so you have the advantage.
    I am happy to assume that you are correct! (Also Ver#95.4)
    I am still curious as to why my attribution says 'GM 31' though? Perhaps that was the attribution given by the seller when I purchased the coin?
     
  8. tenbobbit

    tenbobbit Supporter! Supporter

    As @Bing pointed out, it says C.M.31 not GM.31.
     
  9. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

    My catalog had no other info on your coin.
     
  10. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Supporter! Supporter

    I don't know anything about these coins.. and can't tell from the photo.. is the coin countermarked in any way? Perhaps C.M. 31 is a reference to a particular countermark? Just a wild guess..
     
  11. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    There is an important catalog called "CNM", but I don't own a copy to check

    CNM = T. Passon, ed. Catalogus van de Nederlandse Munten geslagen sinds het aantreden van Philips II tot aan het einde van de Bataafse Republiek (1555 – 1805). 2nd ed. Apeldoorn. 2009

    This is the coin, I think:
    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces53417.html
    https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide...-duit-km-15-1-1604-1671-cuid-26200-duid-76737

    It's one of those crazy issues where KM says it's worth 7 in VG, unknown in F, 65 in VF, but they can't even find a picture to illustrate it.
     
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  12. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Here's the page from the dutch CNM catalog for the double doit,
    at the bottum there are other catalog numbers for this coin.


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  13. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    It is not a coin of Philip IV because the Spaniards had long been kicked out of the Northern Netherlands by 1642, even though they only finally recognised Dutch independence in 1648.
    I am afraid I can't find a CM or GM reference book either.
     
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  14. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Hi, Bing. You are probably right.
    I can't read my own writing my eyes are getting so bad these days.
     
  15. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    @spirityoda My new copy of KRAUSE World Coin Catalog arrived today.
    You are right, - there on page 1231 - Netherlands/Zeeland... it has a KM#15.1 reference #, Bust of Prince Maurice right.
    Thank you.
     
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