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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 1576459, member: 112&quot;]OK, I agree that there are some cents (say from the &#039;30&#039;s on because before that rolls were rarely used) that could have survived Red. But how many years went by before the coins were taken out of those rolls ? Or if you wish to word it another way, how many years have gone by since the coins were taken out of those rolls ? What I&#039;m saying is, you might find a few rolls that were actually rolled up and left undisturbed since the &#039;30s. But you are not going to find very many of them. Certainly not enough to account for all of the older Red cents that exist today. </p><p><br /></p><p>And that explanation does nothing to explain the existence of large numbers of Red cents from before 1900. They didn&#039;t have rolls then.</p><p><br /></p><p>edit - and let&#039;s not forget all of the experiments that collectors went through over the last 50 years trying their hardest to stop copper coins stored in rolls from toning. As a general rule, if copper coins were stored in paper rolls - they toned, turned brown.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Stored with other cents in a group ? Can you define a little better what that means ? How many collectors do you suppose there were from before the 1900&#039;s that kept &quot;groups&quot; of cents ? Collectors of that day typically used coin cabinets, and coin cabinets were most definitely not conducive to preventing coins from toning. Would a coin cabinet be an example of what you mean by storing cents in a group ? I wouldn&#039;t think so.</p><p><br /></p><p>But let&#039;s just assume that some collector kept his coins in one of those old tins that had a tight fitting lid. That I would call keeping the cents in a group, where perhaps this coin or that coin/coins might act as the sacrificial lamb and tone, turning brown, while protecting other cents in the tin with them. Kind of like the way that Jim suggests using common coins to help protect other coins in your collection. I can maybe see that scenario playing out.</p><p><br /></p><p>But how many people would have done that ? Enough of them to provide/account for all of the Red cents from before 1900 that we have today ? I find that about as likely as me getting hit by an asteroid tomorrow.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sure, some older copper coins may have survived by hook or by crook, or by some weird accident, as being Red until today. I can readily accept that. </p><p><br /></p><p>But enough of them to account for all of the Red examples that <u>do exist</u> today ? Sorry, that I cannot accept for it defies all logic and nature. And try as you might, you cannot defy nature. We can&#039;t do it today, and they most definitely couldn&#039;t have done it in days gone by.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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