Recent Finds - is the 1965 MS or SMS

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by howboutatrade, May 10, 2011.

  1. howboutatrade

    howboutatrade Active Member

    Here are photos...the 1976 Kennedy is a NGC MS66 Coin. The thought on my recent find is it is a 1965 MS coin (not SMS)...thank you. Based on comparison photos (so apples to apples on my photo skills not coin in hand grading standards) I still see the 1965 coin relatively close to the known MS66 example (strike, luster, marks but not overly bothersome).


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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    This is your first pic of the '65 coin, cropped. See all those marks on the shield ? No coin with that many marks on the shield could ever be graded MS65.
     

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  4. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Awww, come on, I just noticed Doug got a like! Alright, stand up and fess who the heck would like Doug. Admit your wrongdoing! :)

    J/K, great points about the shield.

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  5. howboutatrade

    howboutatrade Active Member

    Please provide comments/opinions/decisions based on most current information...as already stated, early pictures were replaced with new as the first posts were not representative of coin in hand.
     
  6. Merc Crazy

    Merc Crazy Bumbling numismatic fool

    Did the camera magically put those marks on your coin temporarily? Dude, give it up.

    If you feel so strongly that it's a 66, send it it and prove us wrong.
     
  7. howboutatrade

    howboutatrade Active Member

    My heirs will check on "official" grade as I am not a fan of slabs. I do feel strongly about opinions from senior members of this forum, including moderators, being "stuck" in past posts. All comments coming from people with approx. 10x the experience as me (based on posts made), that all understand difficulties of coin photography, but will continue to fight for an opinion made on incorrect information.

    I, the OP, admitted my mistake (poor lighting that over emphasized marks) and reposted with more true to the issue information (similar lighting with known MS66, new lighting both unknown and known coins, etc). That does not seem to matter. The senior members have their minds made up and I am supposed to accept their opinions, even though I know their opinion is based on incorrect information. Sorry, I do not accept and in fact it will cause me to question more going forward because I have new information about how senior members form their opinions.

    Look at the first picture of the 1976 Kennedy...the number of marks are well more than expected for an MS66...however, it is officially graded as such by NGC. So were the graders at NGC that far off, or was my picture that far off? Look at the new picture of the 1976, it is probably more representative of what the NGC graders were looking at. View all the facts and then form an opinion...fighting for old opinions by ignoring new info, well I won't give my opinion on that approach.

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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    How is what I said incorrect information ? The marks ARE on the coin as your picture shows. What's more, the obverse has marks that would stop the coin from being graded above MS64 as well.

    But it seems that because you took another picture that does not show the marks that you think the marks are not there. But that isn't how it works. It's quite easy and very common to have two or more pictures of the same coin and to have 1 of those pictures show something that the other pictures do not show. It all depends on lighting and angles. But just because you have say 3 pictures that do not show marks, and only 1 that does, that does not mean the marks are not there. The marks ARE there. The camera cannot create them, but the camera can not show them.
     
  9. Daniel H.

    Daniel H. New Member

    I believe that the top one is around MS-62 because of the many knicks it includes but the luster is great. And the cheek on the second one brings it down to a AU-57.
     
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