Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Andres2, Jun 20, 2019.
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2. No possibility of examining it in hand prior to purchase(?)
3. No money-back guarantee of authenticity provided (?)
4. One of the most widely forged types of ancient Roman coins.
5. "Private seller."
What are the reasons you're even considering this purchase?
Unless you know the seller and/or more information about the coin, I think you should stay away. If you take the chance, you should probably spend the money to have it authenticated by someone who knows their business, i.e. David Sear
What drew you to the coin? The price? The coin itself?
If you said "price", then that's another red flag.
If it's one thing I've learned in coin collecting... it's "better safe than sorry" and "there will always be another coin".
Wait... that was two things.
Anyway... there are exceptions of course... times when you see a coin and you weigh the risk versus the reward and you throw caution to the wind and seize the day. I don't think that this is one of those times, IMHO.
However, I would stay away due to that crack or fault top obverse field, and the potential that one day it may split at that point. You never know how deep that crack runs.
I checked the forgery list on FORVM . no matches.
In the mean time there are now 2 bids on the coin , but its still cheap.
Thats a serious crack indeed , something to consider, thanks Eduard
Although there are no matches on FORVM, I decided to stay away due to the same reasons mentioned by @IdesOfMarch01
That's not saying very much, however.
I have owned a grand total of two ever.
The reason I think is real is the edge splits, that look deep enough and authentic enough, despite us not getting a decent view of the edges. But I think I see enough there to say that's not a cast. If it were a cast the edge splits would look filled in. Also, the strike is way too sharp to be a cast. I'd expect more softness of it were a cast. It's just a coin with serious issues due to being treated roughly for decades.
You are probably better off paying a little extra for a coin with less issues.
The colour is odd, but that could easily be because of the photographer as opposed to the coin.
It helps when you understand the varieties. Some fakes from modern dies don't fit any of the known six groups. This page really helps:
Of course some engravers are smart enough to get the details right. Few, however, get the style right. But the details and style won't betray a cast fake made from a genuine coin.
Andreas2 your coin appears to be a group 4. Struck from c. 18 -35 A.D., the most common group. I don't see anything suspicious about it, but you just cannot authenticate these from photos. Many cast denarii look fine in photos.
Sallent Your coin appears to be a group 3 type, which is the rarest. Only about 2% of Tribute Pennies are group 3. There really isn't a big price premium for that, but I do bump up the group 3 a little. Group 3 is dated 18 B.C., which means it was struck early enough to actually be the Tribute Penny.
Sweet, now I know mine is group 3 and minted circa 18CE.
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