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<p>[QUOTE="sand, post: 24695491, member: 118540"]Die rust, on an ancient die, sometimes caused pimples on authentic ancient coins, but only on the obverse or reverse, never on the edge, and the pimples are usually not perfectly round, and the pimples are often in clusters.</p><p>Flan flaws sometimes caused large depressions on authentic ancient coins, but not usually perfectly round small craters.</p><p>Some ancient flans were cast, and then struck, and sometimes the casting edges were not obliterated by the striking process, and therefore raised lines exist on the edges of some ancient coins.</p><p>Often, when an ancient coin was struck, the edges of the flan became wrinkled.</p><p>I'm not an expert at identifying fakes.</p><p>1 thing that I noticed, on your coin, was what looks like a hole, in Zeus's upper right arm. That looks suspicious to me.</p><p>The single pimple on Hercules's face looks suspicious to me.</p><p>The single pimple on the edge looks suspicious to me.</p><p>The weight of the coin is suspicious to me.</p><p>The very straight, very thin, very sharp, somewhat deep lines on the edge, look suspicious to me.</p><p>Some of these things I didn't notice, until they were mentioned later in this thread.</p><p>Even a couple of experienced ancient coin collectors in this thread, thought the coin looked fine, at first glance.</p><p>Barry Murphy works for NGC Ancients, the most highly respected ancient coin slabbing company, and is a true professional expert and highly respected in the realm of ancient coin collecting for his ability to identify fake ancient coins. Barry Murphy said in this thread, that coin is fake, therefore you can be assured that the coin is fake.</p><p>When I'm trying to authenticate a coin, I often search the following 2 web sites, and I compare the coin to the coins on the 2 web sites. Especially the acsearch web site.</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/Default.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://www.vcoins.com/en/Default.aspx</a></p><p>Don't feel too badly. I've accidentally bought fake coins, especially when I first started collecting ancient coins. I think, that most new ancient coin collectors have accidentally bought fake coins. Some fakes are very clever (not this coin though, seemingly), and have fooled even experienced collectors and dealers. I may have a few ancient coins in my collection, which are fake, but I don't know it yet. I think that many ancient coin collectors suspect, that some of their coins may be fake, or tooled, or may have fake patinas, or fake toning, but they don't know for sure. It's just 1 of those risks, which most ancient coin collectors accept.</p><p>As you said, your grandfather was not an experienced ancient coin collector. He probably thought the coin may be authentic.</p><p>If you ever feel like shopping for ancient coins, the above vcoins web site has many interesting ancient coins, many for less than $50. Vcoins has a pretty good reputation, in that 99% of the coins seem to be authentic, although I wonder if maybe some dealers sell a few tooled coins, or coins with a fake patina, either accidentally or on purpose.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="sand, post: 24695491, member: 118540"]Die rust, on an ancient die, sometimes caused pimples on authentic ancient coins, but only on the obverse or reverse, never on the edge, and the pimples are usually not perfectly round, and the pimples are often in clusters. Flan flaws sometimes caused large depressions on authentic ancient coins, but not usually perfectly round small craters. Some ancient flans were cast, and then struck, and sometimes the casting edges were not obliterated by the striking process, and therefore raised lines exist on the edges of some ancient coins. Often, when an ancient coin was struck, the edges of the flan became wrinkled. I'm not an expert at identifying fakes. 1 thing that I noticed, on your coin, was what looks like a hole, in Zeus's upper right arm. That looks suspicious to me. The single pimple on Hercules's face looks suspicious to me. The single pimple on the edge looks suspicious to me. The weight of the coin is suspicious to me. The very straight, very thin, very sharp, somewhat deep lines on the edge, look suspicious to me. Some of these things I didn't notice, until they were mentioned later in this thread. Even a couple of experienced ancient coin collectors in this thread, thought the coin looked fine, at first glance. Barry Murphy works for NGC Ancients, the most highly respected ancient coin slabbing company, and is a true professional expert and highly respected in the realm of ancient coin collecting for his ability to identify fake ancient coins. Barry Murphy said in this thread, that coin is fake, therefore you can be assured that the coin is fake. When I'm trying to authenticate a coin, I often search the following 2 web sites, and I compare the coin to the coins on the 2 web sites. Especially the acsearch web site. [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/[/URL] [URL]https://www.vcoins.com/en/Default.aspx[/URL] Don't feel too badly. I've accidentally bought fake coins, especially when I first started collecting ancient coins. I think, that most new ancient coin collectors have accidentally bought fake coins. Some fakes are very clever (not this coin though, seemingly), and have fooled even experienced collectors and dealers. I may have a few ancient coins in my collection, which are fake, but I don't know it yet. I think that many ancient coin collectors suspect, that some of their coins may be fake, or tooled, or may have fake patinas, or fake toning, but they don't know for sure. It's just 1 of those risks, which most ancient coin collectors accept. As you said, your grandfather was not an experienced ancient coin collector. He probably thought the coin may be authentic. If you ever feel like shopping for ancient coins, the above vcoins web site has many interesting ancient coins, many for less than $50. Vcoins has a pretty good reputation, in that 99% of the coins seem to be authentic, although I wonder if maybe some dealers sell a few tooled coins, or coins with a fake patina, either accidentally or on purpose.[/QUOTE]
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