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<p>[QUOTE="Seattlite86, post: 3972583, member: 59737"]Notice how your two sentences contradict each other? It doesn't take going through philosophy class to see when someone's statements don't add up.</p><p><br /></p><p>The very fact that this fake slab exists is proof positive that we <u><i><b>still</b></i></u> need to know how to grade to be in this hobby. Nothing has changed, we are just entering a new phase of punctuated equilibrium (that term would make my military history instructor proud). <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>(Some) dealers have fraudulently listed details coins as problem-free, and over graded others in order to sell them at a higher price. This practice was prevalent before slabs, and remains today. No self-respecting dealer is going to be fooled by this fake slab, nor are they going to sell fake slabbed coins. There will always be charlatans on the internet, no amount of ranting or changes will stop that. New collectors will always get burned until they learn to grade. Again, zero change between generations, just different environments.</p><p><br /></p><p>I wholeheartedly agree that slabs have added to a sense of security, but I do not believe this single, fake slab somehow represents the demise of numismatics. You are right to be concerned about them, I am as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>But your generalizations and assumptions about how you "truly learned to grade" because your generation "was required to learn" and cintrast that by lamenting that so few people today can grade are flawed and fall victim to the same self-aggrandizement you attempted to accuse me of.</p><p><br /></p><p>In the future, you might do well to leave your unfounded, negative generalizations about others, as well as your self-promotion, out of your comments (edit: this is called virtue signaling, but seems you took philosophy class once too). They detract from your otherwise reasonable concern that fake slabs are bad for the hobby.</p><p><br /></p><p>And thank you for changing your comment to bless me. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> we all know what ad hominem attacks demonstrate in an argument.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Seattlite86, post: 3972583, member: 59737"]Notice how your two sentences contradict each other? It doesn't take going through philosophy class to see when someone's statements don't add up. The very fact that this fake slab exists is proof positive that we [U][I][B]still[/B][/I][/U] need to know how to grade to be in this hobby. Nothing has changed, we are just entering a new phase of punctuated equilibrium (that term would make my military history instructor proud). ;) (Some) dealers have fraudulently listed details coins as problem-free, and over graded others in order to sell them at a higher price. This practice was prevalent before slabs, and remains today. No self-respecting dealer is going to be fooled by this fake slab, nor are they going to sell fake slabbed coins. There will always be charlatans on the internet, no amount of ranting or changes will stop that. New collectors will always get burned until they learn to grade. Again, zero change between generations, just different environments. I wholeheartedly agree that slabs have added to a sense of security, but I do not believe this single, fake slab somehow represents the demise of numismatics. You are right to be concerned about them, I am as well. But your generalizations and assumptions about how you "truly learned to grade" because your generation "was required to learn" and cintrast that by lamenting that so few people today can grade are flawed and fall victim to the same self-aggrandizement you attempted to accuse me of. In the future, you might do well to leave your unfounded, negative generalizations about others, as well as your self-promotion, out of your comments (edit: this is called virtue signaling, but seems you took philosophy class once too). They detract from your otherwise reasonable concern that fake slabs are bad for the hobby. And thank you for changing your comment to bless me. :) we all know what ad hominem attacks demonstrate in an argument.[/QUOTE]
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