READ THIS! The Next Generation Of Chinese Counterfeits Have Arrived

An AU-ish 34-P.... not much, and is the very reason for such "coins" being so dangerous when above-average quality.

 

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As was I, Doug... remember, I'm not part of the "hard time" crowd.

 

I guess, even you have to explain yourself, despite being an upstanding, don't rock the boat, fit in with the old boys club type of member.(@-jeffB )

 

I wonder if they fake 1964's?

It would be a shame if we had to test everything we buy at walk in shops, including the most common pre-1965 junk pocket change.

Also, I'm a firm believer that the more problems we discuss in counterfeit coins, the harder it is for them to improve their counterfeiting. There aren't many different metal combinations that will correctly weigh the same as a real coin, and usually the surfaces show problems first before anything else.

 

I went to go see Dylan last night at the Sanger theater in New Orleans. Was a good night.

 

Hmmmmm... Well this story get a little more strange. I had them scanned for composition today.

90.39 % Silver
9.12 % Copper
.49% Aluminum

So they are NOT 40% silver as was reported to me by the dealer who had them. From the diagnostics I see in hand I still believe them to be counterfeit.

@C-B-D Your thoughts?

 

So are they real? Why was the dealer who showed them to you so certain to begin with?

 

I find it stunning. They don't sound silver... at all! Wonder if it's "German silver?" Lol

 

How could it have more silver than in a genuine Washington Quarter? wow..

 

i have posted it here before they fake all dates even average circulated 1964's and all other common dates they sell them for 1.40 each if you buy 100 at a time it would be real easy to buy a bunch and mix in with real ones and sell them as 50 or 100 dollar face value bags

 

I have not been on here in a while, but this thread popped up on my Facebook.

We are about to enter the "golden era" of counterfeiting. It's not an era anyone likes.

With significant advances in laser scanning, 3d metal printing, etc, it won't be 10 years before they can make a "carbon copy" of a coin.

Believe it or not, it will then be possible to create a fake that will not be any different than the real deal, and will stump experts.

 

fake graded coins are out there like morgans made of all the correct metals and graded by Chinese graders and put in fake slabs with real serial numbers unreal.

 

Hate to say it, but it is true. Technology will defeat the expert eye and all other currently used tests within the next 20 years. I personally plan to sell all my coins before that happens.

 

Welcome back, Detecto! (Be on the lookout for your trolls, they've been eagerly anticipating this day).

 

You really believe coin collecting and numismatics will go the way of the dodo due to 3D printed counterfeit rarities being unknowingly fed into the market?

What if the prices of PM rise so much that the premium over spot that the numismatic value represent simply evaporates?

Even if a 3D printer could arrange, atom by atom, a copy of a coin, it could never be PERFECT. Didn't you learn that in preschool - NOTHIN IS PERFECT.

 

Forget about 10 years from now. It is already possible. BTW: Welcome back. TC

 

I don't believe 3d printing is a danger to the hobby any time soon. More likely we'll see sophisticated counterfeiters using laser-cut dies made from 3d scans of coins. If you think the coin posted in this thread is dangerous, wait until you see one of those.

 

Wonder if they sound different because of different treatments for the strip stock or planchets? I can imagine that a different annealing process could yield a different sounding coin, even with the same composition. Or maybe the slight difference from normal composition (1/2 percent aluminum?) makes a disproportionate difference in the crystal structure. Paging @BadThad and the rest of the metallurgical crew...

 

You're way too kind. I would've gone with "pompous gasbags."