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<p>[QUOTE="Rick B, post: 4630174, member: 113624"]So much to comment on!</p><p>1. I never said I was focused on coins less than $50. All I said was my first two were low priced.</p><p><br /></p><p>2. "You seem to have the idea in your head that all the TPGs do is make coins more expensive and put possible acquisitions out of your price range."</p><p>Never suggested this at all in my memory. Show me where I said this.</p><p><br /></p><p>3. "So why do you have it in your head that the certification of the coin is increasing the price?"</p><p>Again, where did I say this? I don't think I did. Someone else did, if I remember right. Although it does make sense. A $100 value coin costs what to certify? Whatever it costs to certify, let's just say $40, you would now have to sell it for $140 to break even.</p><p><br /></p><p>4. "the only people willing to pay full price for raw coins are the people who are so good at grading that they don't need the TPG crutch. Since this group is exceedingly small"</p><p>Really? That's sad. Grading is a BIG part of the hobby to me. I'm going to learn it.</p><p><br /></p><p>5. "So rather than proclaim that TPG grading is bad for the hobby, why not just say, it is bad for you?"</p><p>I have more than once said it's a matter of opinion. It's fine if some people like TPG's. But I would rather have a world without them if I had my druthers. It's hard for me to explain altogether. TPG's try to turn an art into a science. And it isn't just a matter of "bad for me". The existence of TPG's make collecting more difficult for raw collectors. There are so many slabbed coins out there that if I want to avoid buying them, my field of choices is drastically reduced. </p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, just some initial thoughts on the matter. I'm not rigid about it and like I've said in other posts in this thread, I may change my mind some day considering I'm new to this. When I collected as a kid, slabs did not exist. So this is new to me. Many years ago I collected comics. Then when I went to sell them, slabs for comics had become the thing. I hated it. Again, attempting to turn an art into a science. It's a freakin' book to hold and read for crying out loud! If you are going to hide it where you can hardly see it, feel it, read it, why the heck collect them?! With coins I won't say absolutely that I think slabs are stupid. But for comics I will say that unequivocally.</p><p><br /></p><p>We can debate logically all day long, but the bottom line isn't all logic. It is a FEELING matter. And on that level, I don't like slabs. I don't like the idea of them. I don't like that it's attempting to turn art into science. I don't like that may collectors will be lazy about grading and not learn how. To me slabs to a degree take the hobby into investing. With coins and comics. Investors don't care what the heck is even in the plastic. It could be any commodity. What else to say? </p><p><br /></p><p>Disclaimer: I know my criticism of slabs does NOT apply to all coin collectors. And no matter what I say, I still agree that it's an individual matter. My thoughts are initial as a newbie and a generalization.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Rick B, post: 4630174, member: 113624"]So much to comment on! 1. I never said I was focused on coins less than $50. All I said was my first two were low priced. 2. "You seem to have the idea in your head that all the TPGs do is make coins more expensive and put possible acquisitions out of your price range." Never suggested this at all in my memory. Show me where I said this. 3. "So why do you have it in your head that the certification of the coin is increasing the price?" Again, where did I say this? I don't think I did. Someone else did, if I remember right. Although it does make sense. A $100 value coin costs what to certify? Whatever it costs to certify, let's just say $40, you would now have to sell it for $140 to break even. 4. "the only people willing to pay full price for raw coins are the people who are so good at grading that they don't need the TPG crutch. Since this group is exceedingly small" Really? That's sad. Grading is a BIG part of the hobby to me. I'm going to learn it. 5. "So rather than proclaim that TPG grading is bad for the hobby, why not just say, it is bad for you?" I have more than once said it's a matter of opinion. It's fine if some people like TPG's. But I would rather have a world without them if I had my druthers. It's hard for me to explain altogether. TPG's try to turn an art into a science. And it isn't just a matter of "bad for me". The existence of TPG's make collecting more difficult for raw collectors. There are so many slabbed coins out there that if I want to avoid buying them, my field of choices is drastically reduced. Anyway, just some initial thoughts on the matter. I'm not rigid about it and like I've said in other posts in this thread, I may change my mind some day considering I'm new to this. When I collected as a kid, slabs did not exist. So this is new to me. Many years ago I collected comics. Then when I went to sell them, slabs for comics had become the thing. I hated it. Again, attempting to turn an art into a science. It's a freakin' book to hold and read for crying out loud! If you are going to hide it where you can hardly see it, feel it, read it, why the heck collect them?! With coins I won't say absolutely that I think slabs are stupid. But for comics I will say that unequivocally. We can debate logically all day long, but the bottom line isn't all logic. It is a FEELING matter. And on that level, I don't like slabs. I don't like the idea of them. I don't like that it's attempting to turn art into science. I don't like that may collectors will be lazy about grading and not learn how. To me slabs to a degree take the hobby into investing. With coins and comics. Investors don't care what the heck is even in the plastic. It could be any commodity. What else to say? Disclaimer: I know my criticism of slabs does NOT apply to all coin collectors. And no matter what I say, I still agree that it's an individual matter. My thoughts are initial as a newbie and a generalization.[/QUOTE]
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