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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 4340024, member: 85693"]Another low-grade, poorly-described couple of ancients just came in from eBay (thank you US Postal Service!). Not everybody's cup of tea when it comes to collecting, but it keeps me out of the taverns (somewhat) and costs very little. Under COVID-19 quarantine <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie18" alt=":bag:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />, and a bit bored (the taverns are closed!), I am going to inflict this on you folks! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie80" alt=":shame:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Something that surprises me about this kind of collecting is how I will occasionally get something that is "rare" that seems like it ought to be common. From what I've seen on CT over the past couple of years, ancient rarities are actually pretty common as a category, if that makes sense. Yesterday a low-grade Hadrian as and a cute little Ptolemaic bronze showed up in the mail ($9.95 for the pair, free shipping!). </p><p><br /></p><p>The Ptolemy is indeed a common type (Svoronos 1426 /1427, Ptolemy V, VI/VIII or IX-XII, depending on who you ask). Here is a typical auction description for one of these (from acsearch): </p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>PTOLEMAIC KINGS of EGYPT. Ptolemy IX to Ptolemy XII. 116-51 BC. Æ (20mm, 8.90 g, 12h). Alexandreia(?) mint. Series 9. Diademed head of Zeus-Ammon right / Two eagles with their wings closed standing left on thunderbolt; cornucopia to left.</p><p><br /></p><p>Svoronos 1426 (Joint reign of Ptolemy VI and VIII); Weiser 143 (Ptolemy V); SNG Copenhagen 311-4 (Joint reign of Ptolemy VI and Ptolemy VIII); Noeske 216-20 (Joint reign of Ptolemy VI and Ptolemy VIII); cf. Lorber & Faucher Series 6E. </p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>The Hadrian I figured would be just another "goddess standing around" type (as Doug refers to them). Which it is, of course. But I could only find one on OCRE, and no others anywhere else, including acsearch. So unless I'm missing something, I am concluding this is rare...RIC 809d (as). </p><p><br /></p><p>The single OCRE example is from the Münzkabinett, Kunst Historisches Museum Wien - and theirs is not much better than mine is: </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ikmk.at/object?id=ID61754" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ikmk.at/object?id=ID61754" rel="nofollow">http://www.ikmk.at/object?id=ID61754</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Rare, but boring. Hadrian issued several Fides types, mostly silver. The "PVBLICA" reverse is what makes this one rare in bronze - OCRE shows two other RIC 809 types - one a bare-headed as version and a dupondius, with no examples of either. However, a sestertius with this reverse (RIC 758) is fairly common. Here are the Æ FIDES PVBLICA types from OCRE: </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=deity_facet%3A%22Fides%22+AND+material_facet%3A%22Bronze%22+AND+portrait_facet%3A%22Hadrian%22+AND+fulltext%3APVBLICA" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=deity_facet%3A%22Fides%22+AND+material_facet%3A%22Bronze%22+AND+portrait_facet%3A%22Hadrian%22+AND+fulltext%3APVBLICA" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=deity_facet:"Fides"+AND+material_facet:"Bronze"+AND+portrait_facet:"Hadrian"+AND+fulltext:PVBLICA</a> </p><p><br /></p><p>Rare, boring, and I'd bet not especially valuable, unless there are a couple of Hadrian "complete-ist" collectors out there getting into bidding wars over this sort of thing. But it is still fun to find one like this from time to time. </p><p><br /></p><p>Show your unexpected rarities or new stuff or Hadrian or Ptolemy X?X or whatever strikes your fancy. I'd be thrilled if someone could share another RIC 809 of any sort. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1099609[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Hadrian Æ As</b></p><p><b>(134-138 A.D.)</b></p><p><b>Rome Mint </b></p><p>HADRIANVS AVG COS I[II P P], laureate bust right / FID[ES PVBL]ICA S C, Fides standing right, holding two corn-ears downwards, in right hand and basket of fruit in left.</p><p>RIC 809d (as) (Rare?). </p><p>(12.37 grams / 26 x 24 mm)</p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 4340024, member: 85693"]Another low-grade, poorly-described couple of ancients just came in from eBay (thank you US Postal Service!). Not everybody's cup of tea when it comes to collecting, but it keeps me out of the taverns (somewhat) and costs very little. Under COVID-19 quarantine :bag:, and a bit bored (the taverns are closed!), I am going to inflict this on you folks! :shame: Something that surprises me about this kind of collecting is how I will occasionally get something that is "rare" that seems like it ought to be common. From what I've seen on CT over the past couple of years, ancient rarities are actually pretty common as a category, if that makes sense. Yesterday a low-grade Hadrian as and a cute little Ptolemaic bronze showed up in the mail ($9.95 for the pair, free shipping!). The Ptolemy is indeed a common type (Svoronos 1426 /1427, Ptolemy V, VI/VIII or IX-XII, depending on who you ask). Here is a typical auction description for one of these (from acsearch): [INDENT]PTOLEMAIC KINGS of EGYPT. Ptolemy IX to Ptolemy XII. 116-51 BC. Æ (20mm, 8.90 g, 12h). Alexandreia(?) mint. Series 9. Diademed head of Zeus-Ammon right / Two eagles with their wings closed standing left on thunderbolt; cornucopia to left. Svoronos 1426 (Joint reign of Ptolemy VI and VIII); Weiser 143 (Ptolemy V); SNG Copenhagen 311-4 (Joint reign of Ptolemy VI and Ptolemy VIII); Noeske 216-20 (Joint reign of Ptolemy VI and Ptolemy VIII); cf. Lorber & Faucher Series 6E. [/INDENT] The Hadrian I figured would be just another "goddess standing around" type (as Doug refers to them). Which it is, of course. But I could only find one on OCRE, and no others anywhere else, including acsearch. So unless I'm missing something, I am concluding this is rare...RIC 809d (as). The single OCRE example is from the Münzkabinett, Kunst Historisches Museum Wien - and theirs is not much better than mine is: [URL]http://www.ikmk.at/object?id=ID61754[/URL] Rare, but boring. Hadrian issued several Fides types, mostly silver. The "PVBLICA" reverse is what makes this one rare in bronze - OCRE shows two other RIC 809 types - one a bare-headed as version and a dupondius, with no examples of either. However, a sestertius with this reverse (RIC 758) is fairly common. Here are the Æ FIDES PVBLICA types from OCRE: [URL]http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=deity_facet%3A%22Fides%22+AND+material_facet%3A%22Bronze%22+AND+portrait_facet%3A%22Hadrian%22+AND+fulltext%3APVBLICA[/URL] Rare, boring, and I'd bet not especially valuable, unless there are a couple of Hadrian "complete-ist" collectors out there getting into bidding wars over this sort of thing. But it is still fun to find one like this from time to time. Show your unexpected rarities or new stuff or Hadrian or Ptolemy X?X or whatever strikes your fancy. I'd be thrilled if someone could share another RIC 809 of any sort. [ATTACH=full]1099609[/ATTACH] [B]Hadrian Æ As (134-138 A.D.) Rome Mint [/B] HADRIANVS AVG COS I[II P P], laureate bust right / FID[ES PVBL]ICA S C, Fides standing right, holding two corn-ears downwards, in right hand and basket of fruit in left. RIC 809d (as) (Rare?). (12.37 grams / 26 x 24 mm) [B] [/B][/QUOTE]
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