Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Fleshgrl02, Jul 22, 2019.

  1. Fleshgrl02

    Fleshgrl02 Member

    Hey everyone,
    In your opinions what do you think the value of this coin is?
    It is an 1800 Bust Large 1 cent.
    Thanks :) IMG_8600.jpeg IMG_8601.jpeg
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    And where did you come across this?
    99.9% chance that's a fake.
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  4. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    Agreed, it doesn't look right.
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  5. Fleshgrl02

    Fleshgrl02 Member

    I came across it in a box of coins that my grandfather left me. So you believe it's counterfeit?
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    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

  7. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I was following this. My jaw hit the floor when I saw these photos. I would agree that pristine early copper that is not in plastic seems unbelievable. Heck, an early copper in this state is unbelievable if not incomprehensible. The obvious resolution then is a forgery. Now I am not an expert on early coppers, but as far as forgeries go, this is some pretty darn good work..... But let me ask one question. Did anyone notice the verdigris that is occurring at the very edge of the piece. I tried to blow it up below. Can a counterfeiter impart verdigris to a piece?

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  8. frankjg

    frankjg Well-Known Member

    Just in case, never hold a potentially valuable coin like that.

    Hold it by the edges.
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  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Counterfeit is such a harsh term...many copies of these coins were made for gift shops. It doesn't look cast, I think we have some early copper people here, let's see what they say.
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  10. ewomack

    ewomack Senior Member Supporter

    I agree that it has an "off" look overall. The reverse in particular looks strange. But it could be the photos.

    If you have a scale, try to weigh it. It should weigh very close to 10.89 grams. It should also have a plain edge.
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  11. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Supporter! Supporter

    So, here's the conundrum: if real, we're looking at a strong 4 figure, if not 5 figure coin. Furthermore, it's in immaculate condition to be raw.

    It's very difficult for me to assess grade or genuineness without the coin "in hand".
    That said, it does not look genuine to me, based on the pics provided.

    My question would be, do you think your father would have had such a valuable coin in his collection if it were real. (It would have been pricey when he acquired it also, assuming he paid for it many years ago.)

    You really probably need to send this in to be graded & authenticated - which you would have to do anyway if you want to get the most value from it if you sell it.

    Now, perhaps someone else will be able to ascertain the qualities by the pics, in which case disregard what I posted.

    Good luck with it...hope it's real!
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  12. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Just looking at the hair vs here it doesn't match anything. Because it is a modern replica. Perhaps counterfeit was too strong a word. I still stand by my original statement that it is not authentic.
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  14. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    Compare the lettering on these. Bottom one is genuine pulled from coin facts.

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  15. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    It looks phony to me. It's not one of the varieties, and the date placement is shifted left. The hair looks funny, too.

    Tell you what you do, get it authenticated. That's the only way you get its value for it. If unauthenticated, it's value is fool's money. If authenticated, it's easily in the high thousands. There were 2,822,175 of these minted, which includes the two varieties, which are worth more.

    Good luck, and I hope for you I'm wrong. Again, send it off for authentication. That's the only way we'll know.
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  16. Patriot woman

    Patriot woman New Member

    Hi I am new to this forum and new to coin collection. A 8th that bro g said. I have a 1975 penny with the d and st missing from the United States in the back of this coin. Is this rare? Could it be worth something?
  17. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster It seemed like a good idea at the time.

    FWIW, I'm nearly certain it's not a Gallery Mint piece. All their pieces were stamped "COPY" on one of the sides. Also, I don't think they made an 1800 Cent (but could be wrong)
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  18. johnmatt

    johnmatt Well-Known Member

    I'm for sure not an expert on this and when I saw the op coin I was hopeful. But after doing a side by side with the obverse of a genuine example, there's just no way. Profile is all wrong. Dang
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  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Hey welcome to CT. Generally you will get more responses if you start your own thread from the forums link. Generally it is good to post full size pictures of both front and back. With that being said, sounds like the die was filled up with some foreign matter like grease causing the missing characters. Interesting but not worth over face value
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  21. Patriot woman

    Patriot woman New Member

    Thank you for responding.
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