Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Rare Caracalla Sestertius Liberalitas Platform Type RIC 309
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="Blake Davis, post: 8113171, member: 91820"][ATTACH=full]1411690[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1411691[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1411692[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1411693[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Caracalla Sestertius RIC 509 LIBERALITAS AVGG VI ET V - RARITY: R3</p><p>Caracalla and Geta on platform with citizen being handed coins by another figure, who holds abacus and cornucopia - ca. 210 AD</p><p>Weight: 26.63 grams Size: 32.5 mm</p><p><br /></p><p>Having handled by now thousands of ancient coins, I think I have a decent grasp on the difference between fake and genuine, at least with respect to imperial bronzes, which are difficult to phony. And yet for some prospective purchases, I still check out the excellent Forum database of fake coins, and it has helped me avoid a couple of purchases where there was doubt. I have found thatif there are doubts such that a coin has to be checked out on the Forum site, it usually although means its a phony.</p><p><br /></p><p>And yet, I <b>have</b> been fooled and lost hundreds of dollars as a result - in one instance the coin was on Forum (a Severus Alexander sestertius), but in my overconfidence it wasn't checked out until it was too late, in another it was not on the site, but the late discovery of the remains of a sprue hole, among other things, clearly showed the coin to be an (excellent) cast fake. I was unable to return the coins in both instances and lost hundreds of dollars. Still, two losses is not so bad in 22 years.</p><p><br /></p><p>In two other instances, each involving a sestertius, I ended up with coins for consignment that were returned because of doubts. The coins looked authentic - one an Antoninus Pius/Marcus Aurelius sestertius with an extra large portrait of Marcus, the other an Antoninus Pius sestertius with a forgotten reverse. Both coins appeared genuine but something about them was suspicious, and both were returned - <i>something</i> about each coin did not seem correct - and I could not justify putting up the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p> What does the above have to do with the coin pictured at the top of this article? Not much. This coin was sold by a reputable dealer, Jesus Vico, SA, in 2018, and I purchased it from a reputable VCOINS dealer, after six long months of payments. When I first held the coin something about it gave me pause but after closely examining certain details - for example the "T" on the reverse, which is perfectly consistent with similar lettering on Caracalla's sestertius, the way the lines are in the moustache, lack of a sprue hole or evidence of casting bubbles, and much more, it is clearly genuine. Plus who would go to the enormous trouble of making an excellent copy of a coin like this where only one sale is possible when other types could be made with much less effort and much more profit? The excellence of the flan could be because it was struck as a Severan presentation piece - this is pure speculation but I have noticed that such pieces appear to be more carefully made than "regular" issue sestertiii during this period.</p><p><br /></p><p>And most important, it was sold by two reputable dealers which really is the best guarantee of authenticity.</p><p><br /></p><p>It would be great if there was a die match to this but I have found only one other example, from different dies. If anyone finds another example please let me know.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the coin itself, and its historical context, that will be addressed in another article where it will be paired with a different type.</p><p><br /></p><p>Comments - especially experiences with fakes - would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Blake Davis, post: 8113171, member: 91820"][ATTACH=full]1411690[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1411691[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1411692[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1411693[/ATTACH] Caracalla Sestertius RIC 509 LIBERALITAS AVGG VI ET V - RARITY: R3 Caracalla and Geta on platform with citizen being handed coins by another figure, who holds abacus and cornucopia - ca. 210 AD Weight: 26.63 grams Size: 32.5 mm Having handled by now thousands of ancient coins, I think I have a decent grasp on the difference between fake and genuine, at least with respect to imperial bronzes, which are difficult to phony. And yet for some prospective purchases, I still check out the excellent Forum database of fake coins, and it has helped me avoid a couple of purchases where there was doubt. I have found thatif there are doubts such that a coin has to be checked out on the Forum site, it usually although means its a phony. And yet, I [B]have[/B] been fooled and lost hundreds of dollars as a result - in one instance the coin was on Forum (a Severus Alexander sestertius), but in my overconfidence it wasn't checked out until it was too late, in another it was not on the site, but the late discovery of the remains of a sprue hole, among other things, clearly showed the coin to be an (excellent) cast fake. I was unable to return the coins in both instances and lost hundreds of dollars. Still, two losses is not so bad in 22 years. In two other instances, each involving a sestertius, I ended up with coins for consignment that were returned because of doubts. The coins looked authentic - one an Antoninus Pius/Marcus Aurelius sestertius with an extra large portrait of Marcus, the other an Antoninus Pius sestertius with a forgotten reverse. Both coins appeared genuine but something about them was suspicious, and both were returned - [I]something[/I] about each coin did not seem correct - and I could not justify putting up the coin. What does the above have to do with the coin pictured at the top of this article? Not much. This coin was sold by a reputable dealer, Jesus Vico, SA, in 2018, and I purchased it from a reputable VCOINS dealer, after six long months of payments. When I first held the coin something about it gave me pause but after closely examining certain details - for example the "T" on the reverse, which is perfectly consistent with similar lettering on Caracalla's sestertius, the way the lines are in the moustache, lack of a sprue hole or evidence of casting bubbles, and much more, it is clearly genuine. Plus who would go to the enormous trouble of making an excellent copy of a coin like this where only one sale is possible when other types could be made with much less effort and much more profit? The excellence of the flan could be because it was struck as a Severan presentation piece - this is pure speculation but I have noticed that such pieces appear to be more carefully made than "regular" issue sestertiii during this period. And most important, it was sold by two reputable dealers which really is the best guarantee of authenticity. It would be great if there was a die match to this but I have found only one other example, from different dies. If anyone finds another example please let me know. As for the coin itself, and its historical context, that will be addressed in another article where it will be paired with a different type. Comments - especially experiences with fakes - would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Rare Caracalla Sestertius Liberalitas Platform Type RIC 309
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...