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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 606143, member: 15309&quot;]Again, with all due respect, these are not fair comparisons.&nbsp; In the cases where a TPG grades a cleaned coin, they know the coin was cleaned but deem that the cleaning was not harsh enough to prohibit the grading of the coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>With regards to toned coins, they often times have no idea whether the toning is AT or NT.&nbsp; The whole policy of &quot;market acceptability&quot; is just their opinion whether or not the coin will pass for NT in the marketplace.&nbsp; So if you are claiming that their accuracy in determining the originality of toning for which they can&#039;t possibly know the history or storage conditions is comparable to that of weeding out other coin problems such as cleaning or whizzing which are readily evident to expert graders, then I will strenuously disagree.</p><p><br /></p><p>You can follow the philosophy that exceptions don&#039;t prove the rule if you want.&nbsp; I follow a different philosophy:&nbsp; innocent until proven guilty.&nbsp; There is no justice in relegating beautiful NT coins to the ranks of AT simply because the TPG&#039;s can&#039;t tell the difference.&nbsp; How much money have the TPG&#039;s spent researching methods to try and solve the AT problem.&nbsp; My guess is very little.&nbsp; Maybe they should take all of the money they collect from AT body bagged coins and put it into a research fund that might one day solve the problem once and for all.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am one of the most staunch supporters of the TPG&#039;s you will ever find, but not on their policy with regards to toned coins.&nbsp; Until they publicly state their policy of &quot;market acceptability&quot; I can&#039;t respect the way they handle the AT problem.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Here is an excerpt from the PCGS&#039;s THE OFFICIAL GUIDE TO COIN GRADING AND COUNTERFEIT DETECTION.&nbsp; </p><p><span style="color: Blue"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><i>PCGS realizes this is a tough area and when there is doubt, the correct solution is not to grade the coin.&nbsp; Although there can be legitimate disagreements over some color and toning, when a coin is absolutely original there is no question about the color or toning.&nbsp; By not putting questionably toned coins in holders, PCGS ensures that the &quot;coin doctors&quot; are less likely to attempt their trade.</i></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span>&nbsp; </p><p>If either PCGS or NGC actually followed this grading policy over the years, I might have a different outlook on the subject.&nbsp; Instead, they give the public the company line listed above and follow a much different policy of &quot;market acceptability&quot; that is an admission that the coin is questionably toned.&nbsp; The other alternative is that this part of the company line is a lie &quot;<i><span style="color: Blue">when a coin is absolutely original there is no question about the color or toning</span>.&quot;&nbsp; </i>IMO, that is exactly what it is, a lie.&nbsp; Didn&#039;t you mention something earlier about deceiving people in order to make a profit.&nbsp; Apparently, the TPG&#039;s did not attend kindergarten.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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