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Message:: [QUOTE="Kryptonitecomic, post: 965436, member: 26784"]In my experience I find two things...... 1. Getting a picture of a PL coin can be very difficult especially if you do not angle the coin...dmpl's do not suffer from the same problem. I recently sold a toned 1885-O that was a no brainer PL coin on both obverse and reverse but was not designated by PCGS. I can understand if it was an early "S" mint morgan becuase those generally come semi-PL so it has to be a knockout coin bordering on DMPL to get the PL designation. 2. Not only have the standards changed several times over the past 25 years, the standard seem to be different at each TPG much like the use of FBL, FT, FH etc. So collectors are at a real disadvantage when trying to gauge PL and DMPL on their own regardless of how knowledgable they are... Chris (cpm9ball) is a perfect example....he has been buying and collecting PL and DMPL Morgans extensively for years...he knows the standards...and yet many times he has been surprised with grades he receives back. Could Chris be inconsistant...yes. Could the TPG's be inconsistant....yes. I believe it's probably a combination of both but when someone looks at a coin for hours at all angles and says it makes the cut for a designation and the graders at a tpg look at the coin for say 10 seconds...I tend to believe that there is a higher level of errors on the 10 second side..don't you?[/QUOTE]