Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by pprp, Jun 1, 2019.
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On non-CNG scale, someone would say your coin has signs of black deposits (probably horn silver), a significant edge crack, mild porosity, mild dings/scratches, and I think I see subtle evidence of crystalization.
It would be a 2/5 for me if I were grading it to my standards. Still a nice coin though.
Not all coins are regarded the same when determining surface grades. A Philip Antioch tetradrachm that is usually slightly grainy would be considered differently that an Vespasian tet that normally comes with good metal. A slightly grainy Philip can have a 5 surface, a grainy Vespasian would never be a 5 surface. A Greek fraction which is almost always a little porous is graded differently than a Roman denarius which should have good metal and smooth surfaces.
A mint state coin is graded stricter than a coin in Fine. The coin in fine is expected to have some surface issues.
@Sallent wrote. I have passed on this coin twice when it was offered unslabbed in 2 different auctions. When I saw it slabbed star au 5/5 5/5 I had second thoughts if I did the right thing...
You did the right thing. Like I said, it is a beautiful coin, but no way would I agree with a 5/5 surface using my own subjective standards when there is a crack on the flan, and black deposits on the surfaces. I'm sure I'm in the majority here with that opinion.
This is a useless exercise.
The surface of the other side is much better but is slightly off center and there is a little die shift. I am sending you a private message with the coin.
Just for comparison as the Heritage photo is a bit over exposed, here are the Roma and Kuenker photos.
This is a critical point. The number does not define grade according to an absolute standard, but rather in relation to other known and registered specimens.
I don't see what you find disingenuous in my posts. And since Barry made it public, I told him that I passed twice on this coin when offered by kuenker and Roma with a difference of a few months and made exactly the same hammer probably due to a hidden reserve. When I now saw the NGC grading I started questioning my decision. The only disingenuous aspect I find is the way the coin's provenance is hidden even with a different weight reported. And by the way the obverse is off center and there is a die shift but of course everything is forgiven when a dealer sells but nothing is forgiven when he buys...
Mint State, ironically, doesn't mean that the state of the coin is the state it was when it left the mint (within a margin of error). And, a score of 5/5 doesn't equal 100% or perfection.
We could rank all coins relative to their theoretical perfection but that would be unfair for many types that are only known in older groups and circulated and some may never top 3/5.
Ultimately, any coin is a balance of tradeoffs for your personal preference as none are truly perfect. Personally, I also want a Bisalti octodrachm but haven't wanted to bid on this particular coin the few times it's been around because of the reverse. So, to me, it's not a matter of 5/5 or 4/5; it's just not a coin that fits my parameters. Perhaps I'll eventually find one that even grades lower but "works" for my personal set of preferences.
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