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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 2376100, member: 19463&quot;]I am not comfortable separating these in hand so am less so from photos.&nbsp; Coins of the value of that Septimius or the Uranius should be bought from people you can discuss such matters with and not from people who don&#039;t know how to say &#039;altered&#039; in any language.&nbsp; Second choice would be sending such coins for a Sear or NGC certification asking them specifically to address the patina.&nbsp; I have coins I would like to have opinions on but I have not yet sent $100 coins in for a $50 certificate (postage counts).&nbsp; $5000 coins seem like a different matter with different &#039;rules&#039;. </p><p><br /></p><p>I once believed in vCoins when it was the property of its original founder Bill Puetz.&nbsp; That changed when it was sold.&nbsp; I have been told that it improved again when Bill was reassociated with it (to what degree???) but I do not know the current standards except that the sellers discussed here are still there.&nbsp; I buy many coins from vCoins dealers but no longer just <i><u>because</u> </i>they are vCoins dealers.&nbsp; I have seen them correct dealers that offered fakes but not for adding sand.&nbsp; Not all of us agree on whether coins should be &#039;touched&#039; at all and to what degree.&nbsp; I suggest buying from people on the same side of that fence as makes you comfortable.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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