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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2374711, member: 56859"]When faced with what appears to be an applied patina (one that is soft rather than hard), I try to remove it in this order:</p><p><br /></p><p>1. Soak in water, wipe gently. If it doesn't come off, I try...</p><p>2. Rubbing alcohol soak, gentle wipe. If it still hasn't come off..</p><p>3. Pure acetone. If it still hasn't dissolved...</p><p>4. Mineral spirits.</p><p><br /></p><p>Soaking in any of these shouldn't harm the coin and I don't worry about the duration of the soak although usually it doesn't take more than several minutes. The coin should be fine even if left soaking for hours or days. If I soak in mineral spirits I subsequently soak in rubbing alcohol. Make sure the coins are thoroughly dried after any of these soaks. I usually apply Verdicare after removing fake patinas.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some fake sand patinas seem to be a mixture of light-colored fine sand mixed with superglue. I haven't had any of those and cannot advise you on how to remove it. I'm not sure what dissolves cyanoacrylic glue but Google probably knows <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.</p><p><br /></p><p>Alcohol has been very effective for me. If the fake patina is wax-based, you'll need mineral spirits.</p><p><br /></p><p>These fake light patinas do make the coin look good because it provides nice contrast between the fields and devices. I recommend removing such patinas though because you don't know what the substance is and whether it could cause or accelerate bronze disease.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some time ago I bought a large mixed lot of Roman Egyptian tetradrachms. Most of them had a fake patina which was probably women's makeup. I removed it with alcohol. The concern was what the makeup might be doing to the underlying metal. I think it was hastening formation of verdigris. Here's a before and after of one of the coins. You can see how the metal is green underneath the makeup:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/cng-numerian-e4022-3-3-obv-fakepatinabeforeafter-jpg.326628/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>and the thread about it: <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-fun-new-lot-of-alexandrian-tetradrachms.245794/#post-1907156" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-fun-new-lot-of-alexandrian-tetradrachms.245794/#post-1907156">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-fun-new-lot-of-alexandrian-tetradrachms.245794/#post-1907156</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2374711, member: 56859"]When faced with what appears to be an applied patina (one that is soft rather than hard), I try to remove it in this order: 1. Soak in water, wipe gently. If it doesn't come off, I try... 2. Rubbing alcohol soak, gentle wipe. If it still hasn't come off.. 3. Pure acetone. If it still hasn't dissolved... 4. Mineral spirits. Soaking in any of these shouldn't harm the coin and I don't worry about the duration of the soak although usually it doesn't take more than several minutes. The coin should be fine even if left soaking for hours or days. If I soak in mineral spirits I subsequently soak in rubbing alcohol. Make sure the coins are thoroughly dried after any of these soaks. I usually apply Verdicare after removing fake patinas. Some fake sand patinas seem to be a mixture of light-colored fine sand mixed with superglue. I haven't had any of those and cannot advise you on how to remove it. I'm not sure what dissolves cyanoacrylic glue but Google probably knows :D. Alcohol has been very effective for me. If the fake patina is wax-based, you'll need mineral spirits. These fake light patinas do make the coin look good because it provides nice contrast between the fields and devices. I recommend removing such patinas though because you don't know what the substance is and whether it could cause or accelerate bronze disease. Some time ago I bought a large mixed lot of Roman Egyptian tetradrachms. Most of them had a fake patina which was probably women's makeup. I removed it with alcohol. The concern was what the makeup might be doing to the underlying metal. I think it was hastening formation of verdigris. Here's a before and after of one of the coins. You can see how the metal is green underneath the makeup: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/cng-numerian-e4022-3-3-obv-fakepatinabeforeafter-jpg.326628/[/IMG] and the thread about it: [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-fun-new-lot-of-alexandrian-tetradrachms.245794/#post-1907156[/url][/QUOTE]
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