Questions on Hairlines and Scratches.

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  1. slackaction1

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    slackaction1, Jan 24, 2019
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  3. slackaction1

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    I just got SCHOOLED..TY
     
    slackaction1, Jan 24, 2019
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  4. Razz

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    How about you just know it when you see it? You can have a single scratch but how often do you see a single hairline?
     
    Razz, Jan 24, 2019
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  5. GDJMSP

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    Far more often than most might think. But few remember them because a single hairline has such little impact on anything, including the grade, that they go without notice for the most part. And what is much more common than that is to see 2, 3, maybe 4 hairlines on a coin, but scattered all over the place. I would even go so far to say that it is hard to find a coin that doesn't have at least 1 hairline on it.

    Ya see, most hairlines occur because of mishandling or rough handling of a coin. It can be from laying a coin down on a soft cloth or a hard surface. It can be from sliding a coin into or out of a flip, or from an album slide. But few will notice them or account for them because there's only 1 or 2.

    The hairlines that people remember and take notice of are not single hairlines, it is patches of hairlines that they remember and take notice of. And patches of hairlines from rough handling do affect the grade. And patches of hairlines that occur from wiping, or harsh cleaning are the ones that are really noticed, and prevent a coin from being graded.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 25, 2019
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  6. slackaction1

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    WOW.. Its harder than you guys are letting on.. to grade these in 3 to 5 secs... we tried an a game with unknow coins he had graded and covered the grade and took 1 minute and longer.... and not a good outcome.. guess you have to look at hundred of coins on a regular basis to get to that expertise level..
     
    slackaction1, Jan 25, 2019
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  7. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    That's why I no longer get infatuated by grade as much as I used to. If i see a coin that has great eye appeal I'll take that over a higher graded coin that just doesn't do anything for me.
     
    wxcoin, Jan 25, 2019
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  8. Kentucky

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    Completely depends on who "we" are. Do this for a few years...
     
    Kentucky, Jan 25, 2019
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  9. slackaction1

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    We...…. is a couple of friends who play a little in the coin gold and silver Market..
     
    slackaction1, Jan 25, 2019
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  10. GDJMSP

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    To learn how to grade correctly and accurately you have to look at hundreds of thousands of coins, or more.

    Think about it for a minute, how many grades are there ? And you have to know, know not guess, what each coin looks like in each individual grade. And to get to the point that you know that at a glance, you have to look at tens of thousands of examples - of just that 1 coin type !

    And how many different types of coins are there ?
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 26, 2019
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  11. Insider

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    GDJMSP, posted: "To learn how to grade correctly and accurately you have to look at hundreds of thousands of coins, or more.

    Think about it for a minute, how many grades are there? And you have to know, know not guess, what each coin looks like in each individual grade. And to get to the point that you know that at a glance, you have to look at tens of thousands of examples - of just that 1 coin type!

    And how many different types of coins are there?

    I'm going to disagree with this. Unfortunately, I don't have the time :sorry: to explain why. Basically, it all depends on the individual and what they have learned using the multiple resources available today.
     
    Insider, Jan 26, 2019
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  12. GDJMSP

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    I readily agree. But I was speaking in generalities.

    Sure, some can pick it up really fast, but others can spend years and years and still not know how to grade. And it also makes a huge difference if someone has a mentor/teacher at their side, or not, when learning. Doing things on your own, which is what the vast majority do, is much harder than having someone teach you. But even then some will learn faster than others.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 27, 2019
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  13. slackaction1

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    I really get where you all are coming from to be consistent, accurate each every time.. for grading purposes.. but I am just trying to learn enough to recognize some flaws or details so I can bargain a lower price and sound AND KNOW what I am talking bout... nothing to your guys level that takes many years. Understand ty
     
    slackaction1, Jan 27, 2019
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