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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3996265, member: 112"]But it isn't. Do you know why ? Because the metal reacts exactly the same when exposed to artificial methods as it does to natural methods. Now granted, not just any artificial method. Taking a liquid chemical and pouring it on the coin will not produce the same results as a coin sitting in a sulfur laden album or wrapped in tissue paper, or one in a mint bag for that matter.</p><p><br /></p><p>But, take the coin, put it in a sealed space, introduce the exact same gaseous chemicals as those put off by the albums, tissue paper, and mint bags, into that sealed space, but in more concentrated quantity, and the toning will the same kind of toning. And it will occur in a few hours as opposed to years or decades. And the toning will be indistinguishable from those you call naturally toned. Would you call that artificial toning ? I believe you would. As do I.</p><p><br /></p><p>And just about anyone who owns a collection of colorfully toned coins - owns some of these coins toned in this manner. But they have no idea they do. To them the coins toned completely naturally. And they think that because there's absolutely no way to tell the difference. Why not ? Because in both cases the toning was caused by the exact same things, just in greater concentrations and shorter periods of time.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Do you know why you say this ? Because you consider AT to be a bad thing. And you yourself would never do anything that you consider to be bad to a coin. So of course putting coins into an album or whatever that you know is going to tone them could never be a bad thing in your mind - because you like toning. That's the whole thing in a nutshell. NT is good, AT is bad. So doing that simply can't be bad. Of course you have absolutely no idea of how that toning is going to turn out. Once it's done, you may very well wish you had never done it ! And if it does, ya still gonna call it good ?</p><p><br /></p><p>And yeah, in some cases AT is bad when it's done incorrectly, because of the way it looks, the way it corrodes the metal. But make no mistake, all toning, natural or otherwise, is corrosion - that is an indisputable scientific fact. But we as collectors, and yeah I include myself, happen to like some toning, we find it quite pretty, extraordinarily beautiful even in some cases.</p><p><br /></p><p>But here's the kicker, in some cases, in fact in the vast majority of them, natural toning can also be bad thing. Far worse than any AT even. Why ? Because it physically destroys the coin. That is why one cannot simply classify NT good and AT bad. Both can be good and or bad, that is also an indisputable scientific fact. More coins have been ruined, completely ruined, from being stored in albums than other storage method there is. </p><p><br /></p><p>And that is also why, when push comes down to shove and you remove all the variables - the only difference between the two is intent. That's thing about simplicity, it's almost always true.</p><p><br /></p><p>Even the TPGs, the sources that everybody trust and has faith and confidence in, do not label coins as being artificially toned, they label them questionable toning. Do you know why ? Because they can't tell with any degree of certainty, the very best they can do is guess. Just like everybody else.</p><p><br /></p><p>Lastly, you and everybody else is entitled to their opinions. But tell me this, in virtually all things in nature, when they happen by accident with no interference whatsoever by man they are called natural. But if man interferes, intercedes and alters the outcome, it is then called artificial. So how can it be any different with toning on coins ? Answer it can't. But because we don't want to label it that way because of the negative connotation applied and assigned to artificial toning - by us - we don't want to. But that doesn't change the fact that it is not natural at all.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3996265, member: 112"]But it isn't. Do you know why ? Because the metal reacts exactly the same when exposed to artificial methods as it does to natural methods. Now granted, not just any artificial method. Taking a liquid chemical and pouring it on the coin will not produce the same results as a coin sitting in a sulfur laden album or wrapped in tissue paper, or one in a mint bag for that matter. But, take the coin, put it in a sealed space, introduce the exact same gaseous chemicals as those put off by the albums, tissue paper, and mint bags, into that sealed space, but in more concentrated quantity, and the toning will the same kind of toning. And it will occur in a few hours as opposed to years or decades. And the toning will be indistinguishable from those you call naturally toned. Would you call that artificial toning ? I believe you would. As do I. And just about anyone who owns a collection of colorfully toned coins - owns some of these coins toned in this manner. But they have no idea they do. To them the coins toned completely naturally. And they think that because there's absolutely no way to tell the difference. Why not ? Because in both cases the toning was caused by the exact same things, just in greater concentrations and shorter periods of time. Do you know why you say this ? Because you consider AT to be a bad thing. And you yourself would never do anything that you consider to be bad to a coin. So of course putting coins into an album or whatever that you know is going to tone them could never be a bad thing in your mind - because you like toning. That's the whole thing in a nutshell. NT is good, AT is bad. So doing that simply can't be bad. Of course you have absolutely no idea of how that toning is going to turn out. Once it's done, you may very well wish you had never done it ! And if it does, ya still gonna call it good ? And yeah, in some cases AT is bad when it's done incorrectly, because of the way it looks, the way it corrodes the metal. But make no mistake, all toning, natural or otherwise, is corrosion - that is an indisputable scientific fact. But we as collectors, and yeah I include myself, happen to like some toning, we find it quite pretty, extraordinarily beautiful even in some cases. But here's the kicker, in some cases, in fact in the vast majority of them, natural toning can also be bad thing. Far worse than any AT even. Why ? Because it physically destroys the coin. That is why one cannot simply classify NT good and AT bad. Both can be good and or bad, that is also an indisputable scientific fact. More coins have been ruined, completely ruined, from being stored in albums than other storage method there is. And that is also why, when push comes down to shove and you remove all the variables - the only difference between the two is intent. That's thing about simplicity, it's almost always true. Even the TPGs, the sources that everybody trust and has faith and confidence in, do not label coins as being artificially toned, they label them questionable toning. Do you know why ? Because they can't tell with any degree of certainty, the very best they can do is guess. Just like everybody else. Lastly, you and everybody else is entitled to their opinions. But tell me this, in virtually all things in nature, when they happen by accident with no interference whatsoever by man they are called natural. But if man interferes, intercedes and alters the outcome, it is then called artificial. So how can it be any different with toning on coins ? Answer it can't. But because we don't want to label it that way because of the negative connotation applied and assigned to artificial toning - by us - we don't want to. But that doesn't change the fact that it is not natural at all.[/QUOTE]
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