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<p>[QUOTE="sturmgrenadier, post: 770967, member: 18711"]I migrated to cointalk.com because of the recommendation of a friend who similarly found the haughty, overspecialized discussion evident in some of the posts on the PCGS thread to be rather annoying and unfriendly to beginning collectors. It was a wise decision. People seem a lot friendlier here (the overall tone of the discussion is much less competitive, etc.), and I find more of the threads to be accessible to me as a beginner (who knows relatively little about coins). </p><p><br /></p><p>I was reading an uber-informative thread about lustre for beginner's earlier today, but was this techno-phobic dunce able to find it again using the search function (sorry for the overused rhetorical question)? That's why I started a new thread. I apologize in advance if my questions are dumb or were answered in said thread (while I found the thread very interesting, I didn't have time to read it in its entirety). </p><p><br /></p><p>I collect early commemorative coins and have about 15 PCGS graded half dollars (most in the MS-65 to MS-66 range with a few outliers in MS-67 or MS-64). Almost all of them have what could be described as 'good lustre' (meaning that it is obvious to even me, a beginner, because the lustre on these coins is bright, brilliant, blazing. dripping [other adjectives could be inserted here] but I hope you get the idea]. A couple of them, an MS-65 Grant (sans star) and a MS-66 Columbia, SC, are oddballs, though, because the lustre on each doesn't look anything like the rest of their brethren. The Grant doesn't have any cartwheel lustre at all; it has this old-style (I think photographers call it sepia tone) light brown color that covers most of both sides of the coin. It isn't very lustrous. If I look carefully at the Columbia as I tilt it, I can see that there is a cartwheel effect on both sides, but the 'hot zones' aren't very bright and the coin and the lustre is just plain more subdued. It just doesn't seem to have the lustre deserving of a relatively high grade like a MS-66 to my beginner's eyes (I know: I shouldn't have bought it if I thought it didn't look right<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />, but cut me a little slack for being a beginner) Strangely enough, this coin has one of the green stickers, too.</p><p><br /></p><p>All of this brings me to my (actual) questions.....</p><p><br /></p><p>1) How can you tell the difference between a satin lustre and a coin that just has lousy lustre (either from the time it was struck [never had good lustre] or impaired lustre [it's been dipped away])?</p><p><br /></p><p>2) Is it accurate to describe a satin lustre as being subdued or impaired?</p><p><br /></p><p>3) Is it basically understood that a brilliant/bright lustre is more desirable to most collectors than a satin one?</p><p><br /></p><p>4) Are the two 'oddball' coins in my collection that I described likely just cases of impaired lustre/problem coins that sneaked their way into higher grades when slabbed (because graders are not infallible)?</p><p><br /></p><p>5) Does absence of a cartwheel mean that a coin has likely been dipped? </p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for bearing with my long post. I appreciate any answers that more experienced collectors/dealers can provide me. Thanks again.</p><p><br /></p><p>Richard[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="sturmgrenadier, post: 770967, member: 18711"]I migrated to cointalk.com because of the recommendation of a friend who similarly found the haughty, overspecialized discussion evident in some of the posts on the PCGS thread to be rather annoying and unfriendly to beginning collectors. It was a wise decision. People seem a lot friendlier here (the overall tone of the discussion is much less competitive, etc.), and I find more of the threads to be accessible to me as a beginner (who knows relatively little about coins). I was reading an uber-informative thread about lustre for beginner's earlier today, but was this techno-phobic dunce able to find it again using the search function (sorry for the overused rhetorical question)? That's why I started a new thread. I apologize in advance if my questions are dumb or were answered in said thread (while I found the thread very interesting, I didn't have time to read it in its entirety). I collect early commemorative coins and have about 15 PCGS graded half dollars (most in the MS-65 to MS-66 range with a few outliers in MS-67 or MS-64). Almost all of them have what could be described as 'good lustre' (meaning that it is obvious to even me, a beginner, because the lustre on these coins is bright, brilliant, blazing. dripping [other adjectives could be inserted here] but I hope you get the idea]. A couple of them, an MS-65 Grant (sans star) and a MS-66 Columbia, SC, are oddballs, though, because the lustre on each doesn't look anything like the rest of their brethren. The Grant doesn't have any cartwheel lustre at all; it has this old-style (I think photographers call it sepia tone) light brown color that covers most of both sides of the coin. It isn't very lustrous. If I look carefully at the Columbia as I tilt it, I can see that there is a cartwheel effect on both sides, but the 'hot zones' aren't very bright and the coin and the lustre is just plain more subdued. It just doesn't seem to have the lustre deserving of a relatively high grade like a MS-66 to my beginner's eyes (I know: I shouldn't have bought it if I thought it didn't look right:(, but cut me a little slack for being a beginner) Strangely enough, this coin has one of the green stickers, too. All of this brings me to my (actual) questions..... 1) How can you tell the difference between a satin lustre and a coin that just has lousy lustre (either from the time it was struck [never had good lustre] or impaired lustre [it's been dipped away])? 2) Is it accurate to describe a satin lustre as being subdued or impaired? 3) Is it basically understood that a brilliant/bright lustre is more desirable to most collectors than a satin one? 4) Are the two 'oddball' coins in my collection that I described likely just cases of impaired lustre/problem coins that sneaked their way into higher grades when slabbed (because graders are not infallible)? 5) Does absence of a cartwheel mean that a coin has likely been dipped? Thanks for bearing with my long post. I appreciate any answers that more experienced collectors/dealers can provide me. Thanks again. Richard[/QUOTE]
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