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<p>[QUOTE="-jeffB, post: 1379441, member: 27832"]<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie9" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I'm alarmed at the "Goldenrod" thing.</p><p><br /></p><p>First, I'm alarmed at the notion of putting a heat generator inside an enclosed space like a safe. I'm sure they're carefully engineered, and I expect we'd eventually hear about it if they started causing fires -- but there are a lot of failure modes for something like that, and I'd have a hard time believing that <i>none</i> of them would be able to cause a thermal excursion.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, <i>raising the temperature doesn't lower the water content of the air</i>. It lowers the <i>relative</i> humidity, but it doesn't lower the <i>dewpoint</i> -- a measure of how much water the air is actually carrying. It will prevent condensation, which is probably the biggest issue for firearms, and is certainly bad for coins, but I'm not sure that's enough. With coins, I'd think you'd also want to avoid chemical effects from the water vapor -- and raising the ambient temperature will actually <i>speed</i> those processes.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'd use a can of desiccant, myself. I don't take the cobalt-chloride hysteria very seriously -- sure, it's toxic, but it's present in tiny quantities, and it stays put unless you mishandle the desiccant. To put it into perspective, if you scratch through the copper coating of a Zincoln and drop it in salt water, it'll start forming zinc chloride, which is of comparable toxicity. <i>Most</i> people don't lose a lot of sleep over that risk.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="-jeffB, post: 1379441, member: 27832"]:eek: I'm alarmed at the "Goldenrod" thing. First, I'm alarmed at the notion of putting a heat generator inside an enclosed space like a safe. I'm sure they're carefully engineered, and I expect we'd eventually hear about it if they started causing fires -- but there are a lot of failure modes for something like that, and I'd have a hard time believing that [I]none[/I] of them would be able to cause a thermal excursion. Second, [I]raising the temperature doesn't lower the water content of the air[/I]. It lowers the [I]relative[/I] humidity, but it doesn't lower the [I]dewpoint[/I] -- a measure of how much water the air is actually carrying. It will prevent condensation, which is probably the biggest issue for firearms, and is certainly bad for coins, but I'm not sure that's enough. With coins, I'd think you'd also want to avoid chemical effects from the water vapor -- and raising the ambient temperature will actually [I]speed[/I] those processes. I'd use a can of desiccant, myself. I don't take the cobalt-chloride hysteria very seriously -- sure, it's toxic, but it's present in tiny quantities, and it stays put unless you mishandle the desiccant. To put it into perspective, if you scratch through the copper coating of a Zincoln and drop it in salt water, it'll start forming zinc chloride, which is of comparable toxicity. [I]Most[/I] people don't lose a lot of sleep over that risk.[/QUOTE]
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