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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1796680, member: 112"]Afraid I shall have to disagree with you disagreeing, here's why. Yes, it does say that in the forward of the book, but if you look at the individual coins where the grade descriptions are given for XF45 that phrase is - Part of the mint luster is still present. (Except on the earliest coinage {usually 1828 and earlier}, and copper coinage.) So yes, the luster is required to be there for an XF45. As for copper, I mentioned above that there are exceptions where toning can cover up the luster, this applies to copper, silver, and nickel. Copper coins graded as BN obviously fall in that category. But any copper collector will tell you that there are a great many MS BN copper coins that have a glow about them. That glow is the luster still showing through the brown toning. It even happens on some AU BN copper coins. But I agree it is not true in every case. And yes, VF35 is 1 step away from XF40, there are no grades in between those two like there are in the MS grades. And I didn't say the ANA did say anything about luster on VF coins. I was merely pointing out what can be seen on some VF coins.[/QUOTE]