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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2703485, member: 112&quot;]And what do you call it Chris when a die break occurs that does not involve the rim at all ? </p><p><br /></p><p>And understand, I am not trying to be argumentative here, not in any way. What I am trying to is to further illustrate your point. That being that there is more than one school of thought.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I&#039;m sure you&#039;re aware of this Chris, but for the sake of those who are not, the argument of what is a cud and what is not a cud is as old as the the argument of what is a variety and what is an error. And even then - even if you ask from the among the group of those who are considered to be experts or authorities on the subject - you will get different answers.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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