question for the error experts: when does a clip become a struck on scrap???

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by john65999, Nov 29, 2021.

  1. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    at what point, or percentage of clip does the incomplete planchet become described as struck on "scrap"

    @paddyman98 ,@Fred Weinberg s-l1600.jpg s-l1600.jpg 15465060.jpg CentOnScrap.jpg Cent Fragment.jpg Lincoln Cent Bow Tie Web Scrap.jpg s-l1600.jpg s-l1600.jpg
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    There is a big difference.

    A clipped planchet is incorrect. The planchet itself was never actually clipped at anytime. This is why the proper terminology should be an Incomplete Planchet.

    Struck on Scrap is just that. A piece of Copper fragment that somehow found its way into the striking chamber and got struck.

    An Incomplete Planchet is not a fragment or there is no percentage amount for it to be considered a fragment.
  4. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    i know that, but title would not of fit, first pic is advertised as a clip, second one as scrap, how much of a coin has not to be there before it is no longer considered an incomplete planchet and rather a "scrap" can a 90% clip still be called a clip (as dealers call them for convenience sake)...or if 95% of the coin has been eliminated from the planchet, what i am asking is at what percentage of coin not being there does it not be an incomplete planchet, rather a struck on scrap?
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  6. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    This is my criteria. It may not be a standard numismatic definition, and others may not agree, but it makes sense to me

    It's an incomplete planchet if the piece has been punched from the rolled strip by the blanking punch. It's scrap if it's something else (random fragment, pieces that fall off a detective strip, etc). Size shouldn't matter, it should be based on how the planchet/scrap was formed, IMO. I understand there still may be some gray areas, but I think this works for most scenarios.
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    You explained it better than me. That's what I meant. ;)
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  8. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Oldhoopster, size shouldn't matter, that's not what my wife says. Enjoyed the posts, thanks.
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  11. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    by the way, the reason i was asking is scrap ones go for 300 and up whilst clips (incomplete planchets) go for considerably less....i found a 45% clip and was wondering if a good deal for 35.00 still thinking on it for now..
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