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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2910521, member: 112&quot;]Well I don&#039;t know how many you&#039;ve looked at but I&#039;ve looked at a lot of them and I have seen a lot that have turned in the slab. And that is even with the understanding that in today&#039;s world a lot more people know a whole lot more about proper storage than they knew even 10 to 15 years ago. And to see evidence that is true, all you have to do is read older posts on the coin forums. Proper storage is one of the most often discussed subjects there is. 15 years ago few knew what proper storage was and how to accomplish it. Today, a lot more know.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You think you would see more Red ? How many Red ones do you need to see ???</p><p><br /></p><p>With Indian Head cents, all of them over 100 years old, NGC and PCGS combined - approx 24,400 of them are graded Red. Approx 138,500 are graded RB or BN. I&#039;d say that&#039;s a rather large percentage that somehow managed to stay Red when there was absolutely no storage method to keep them that way. When in fact every storage method used for most of that 100-150 years almost guaranteed the coins would readily tone and not stay Red.</p><p><br /></p><p>With 2 cent coins and all of them 150 years old - 2250 are graded Red while approx 14,300 are graded RB or BN. I&#039;d say that is also a rather large percentage given the same things I said above.</p><p><br /></p><p>With Lincoln Wheats, all of them over 50 years old - approx 232,000 have been graded Red while only approx 80,000 of them have been graded RB or BN. That&#039;s almost 3 times as many Red !</p><p><br /></p><p>With Lincoln Memorials, and we all know the age of those but the vast majority are well over 10 years old - approx 162,000 of them have been graded Red while approx only 10,000 have been graded RB or BN. That&#039;s 16 times as many Red.</p><p><br /></p><p>And yeah, I&#039;ll grant you with the Memorial Lincolns you&#039;d expect some, maybe even a lot to be Red. But all those others and all of them well over 50 years old and some 150 years old - how did all of those copper coins manage to stay Red over all that time when there were no storage methods that could keep them Red, and all the storage methods that were in use not only promoted toning but almost guaranteed it would happen !</p><p><br /></p><p>So I&#039;ll repeat my question Richie, how many Red ones do you need to see given what you know to be true about how reactive copper is and storage methods in use during the time periods in question ?</p><p><br /></p><p>And I&#039;ll also ask another question. I don&#039;t know of anyone who is knowledgeable about coins who will disagree with the idea that almost all, 80% or more, of older silver and or nickel coins have been dipped because they toned. Now all those silver and nickel coins come from the very same time periods that all the copper coins come from - and silver and nickel do not tone anywhere near as readily as copper does, and all the very same storage methods were used. But yet it is accepted as fact that all those silver and nickel coins toned. So how is they did tone, and all those copper coins did not ?</p><p><br /></p><p>I ask you, how can anyone believe such a thing ? As I have said several times now, there is only one logical conclusion that a reasonable person can come to - copper coins are have been being successfully dipped ! Just like silver and nickel coins are.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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