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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;baseball21, post: 2908822, member: 76863&quot;]Moderns should be red and won&#039;t be sent in if they aren&#039;t so they&#039;re completely irrelevant to the discussion.&nbsp; Older copper than Lincolns red is the least common designation and that completely ignores all the brown ones that aren&#039;t sent in.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>You also keep saying things like &quot;And he sure as heck didn&#039;t manage to do it with all of the Red copper coins there are out there spanning dates over 200 years.&quot; like there is some large amount.&nbsp; There are very few coins older than 1817 graded red and even using your cherry picked data method the percentage is still minuscule.&nbsp; That&#039;s even including resubmissions and crackouts that were crossed over where red is the most likely color to encounter that.</p><p><br /></p><p>Basically you&#039;re trying to shape the numbers to make it fit the narrative you are saying while ignoring the realities of what does and doesn&#039;t have the highest probability of being submitted or how those numbers came to be.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>The data simply isn&#039;t supporting your claims especially not on these 200 plus year coins you keep referencing, there are not large numbers of red coins from that date period nor would they even be considered a moderate amount compared against other designations.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>All the proves is that those books aren&#039;t worth the time to read and those collectors either live in the wrong place or are doing something wrong.&nbsp; I have coins from longer than that from childhood that are still red that I have put absolutely no effort into proper storage for the majority of the their time.&nbsp; It&#039;s not as hard as you&#039;re making it out to be.&nbsp;&nbsp; Go buy some coin sacks or rolls that have actually been together for those years, you&#039;ll find red coins in some of them.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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