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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 2900008, member: 112&quot;]I understand your point, but I&#039;m not sure how to word my response but I&#039;ll give it a try. I don&#039;t think you can say that luster has nothing to do it because there are times when it does. For example, say you have a coin that has no wear on it, and almost always if the coin has no wear on it then the coin has to have luster. And there are really only two occasions when a coin will not have any wear, and not have any luster. 1 - when the toning has progressed to the point that all the luster has been destroyed. And 2 - when a coin has been over-dipped and the dip has destroyed the luster. Other than those scenarios, if a coin has no wear then it is going to have luster. </p><p><br /></p><p>So it is in that regard that luster does have something to do with it. A fine point perhaps but one that matters.</p><p><br /></p><p>What the OP is talking about is dipping a coin and doing it correctly. And if a coin has luster before you dip it, then it must still have at least most of that luster still on it after you dip it. For it is only then that no one can tell for sure that the coin was dipped. </p><p><br /></p><p>Regarding the copper issue. Most people believe that you cannot successfully dip copper. Why ? Because of the color issues already mentioned. I think everybody has seen examples, when you dip copper it usually turns very bright, sometimes even a pinkish shade. It looks completely unnatural after it&#039;s been dipped. Or so most believe.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, there is a huge amount of evidence that tells us that copper can be successfully dipped. </p><p><br /></p><p>About now I imagine almost everybody is saying - WHAT ?? Where is this evidence ? EVERYBODY knows you can&#039;t dip copper !!!</p><p><br /></p><p>So where is the evidence ? It&#039;s been staring you right in the face for a great many years - you simply never noticed it. The evidence is all the copper coins that have been graded and slabbed as being MS RED.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you check the pop reports you&#039;ll literally see millions of copper coins that have been graded MS RED. And most of those coins are 50 or more years old. Some of them, a significant number, are well over 100 years old, and some even 200 years old. But yet they are still graded as MS RED. And the requirement for MS RED is and always has been 95% or more original mint red. And of all the copper coins that have been graded only a small percentage of them have been graded Red Brown or Brown.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now you need to ask yourself how can this possibly be ? The reason you need to ask yourself how it can possibly be is because copper is the most reactive coinage we have (excepting the modern $1 coins). Copper tones if you just look at it and say the word toning. But if copper tones, 5% or more, then it can&#039;t be mint red. </p><p><br /></p><p>Also understand that it is a given that all coins begin to tone the moment after they are struck. This is because all coins are exposed to the air. And copper tones faster and easier than any other coinage metal we use or have used. And there has never been and even today still isn&#039;t an airtight coin holder. There is no method and never has been a method by which coins can stored and protected from contact with the air. So how exactly have all these millions of copper coins managed to stay mint red for 50 to 200 years ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Could a few here and there over the years have somehow managed to be protected by some freak accident and as a result not toned ? Yeah sure I&#039;ll give that much, I don&#039;t know how they were protected but I won&#039;t say with certainty that it never could have happened. But I will say that it most definitely did not happen with millions of them. </p><p><br /></p><p>Given all of that, deductive reasoning, pure common sense, tells us that the only way that millions of copper coins 50 to 200 years old can be mint red today is if copper can be successfully dipped. There simply is no other reasonable explanation.</p><p><br /></p><p>So now the question that always pops up is - then why can&#039;t I do it, why can&#039;t anybody else do it ? Well, I can guarantee you that there are a whole lot of things that you can&#039;t do for one simple reason - because you don&#039;t know how. And why don&#039;t you know how ? Because it&#039;s a secret, and it stays a secret because nobody will ever admit to it, let alone tell somebody else how to do it. </p><p><br /></p><p>So somebody sure knows how to do it, my guess is quite a few somebodies know how. Because there just isn&#039;t any other way that all those red copper coins could even exist.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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