Question for the Dippers

I'm going to assume you have never done this.

Apparently we have much different ethics down here in Portland.

 

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I do 1909 to 1982 type1 Lincoln cents so LOTS of original raw coins to be had. I’m lucky, you silver guys have it tough finding any originals Very sad!

 

Copper's are just as likely to be dipped as silver coins because of the reactivity of the copper. It's more reactive that silver.

 

I usd battery acid on some junk way back, mid to late seventies. We also used to “nose” our coins, use baby oil. So alas I too have Doctored coins I admit. But not in my adulthood, just haven’t had to or wanted to.

 

Well, I suppose you are welcome to believe what you believe. As long as you enjoy this hobby...that's all that matters.

 

Swift model: Stereo Eighty 15X/45X non electronic microscope
I don’t collect silver so I have no examples. The knowledge I have is the same you have from the internet, books personal experience.
Please do yourself a favor and don’t get so upset you dip coins it’s how you do it. I don’t period.
I just wish for your sake you didn’t have to. That would mean you had better coins to buy which it would seem is not the case. Bummer

 

It's comments like this people are taking issue with and the whole it's coin doctoring thing you keep saying. No one is trying to convince you to dip coins, but calling them doctors and giving incorrect information about it is what people are correcting if for no other reason for others who end up reading it.

You can find examples of six figure coins that were dipped at one point, it's not a not having better coins to buy issue.

 

You are all right. Unfortunately coin dipping is needed in our hobby sometimes I’ll admit. I just wish nobody had to buy a coin that needed dipping. For the record I officially apologize for stiring up the hornets nest. Please forgive.

 

352sdeer, posted: "I’m sorry I have a different opinion than some on the use of coin care and other acid based cleaners. Go to a show and ask a dealer that sells that crap if he would dip his personal coins I’ll bet he’d laugh in your face."

Fortunately, I have never had that experience - ever.

We all have opinions. Please understand that a majority of your opinions have been discussed, refuted, and buried with the trash UNTIL the next long-time, self-educated, "ex-pert" coin whiz joins CT and pulls the stake out of the dead vampire so he can roam the site sucking in the newbies.

Can't you read? You don't know what you are talking about. Coin Care, chemical dips, baking soda, etc is used every day by professional way above your limited experience to clean coins and you and most of us cannot tell anything was done!

Let me put this another way:

You don't know what you are talking about. Coin Care, chemical dips, baking soda, etc is used every day by professional way above your limited experience to clean coins and you and most of us cannot tell anything was done!

He’d just buy nicer specimens. Unfortunately, many dealers a limited to what comes in the door. I’ll leave it lie. Good, I agree and so will I. It’s just that everyone I know local that collects coins would NEVER USE THOSE PRODUCTS. It’s just unethical to do so around here in the Seattle area Oh, that explains everything! at least with the collectors I know. They just save up and buy better specimens. I wouldn’t even tell my friends I dipped for fear that I would loose respect in their eyes.

About me being a fly speck hey I did not disrespect ANYONE. Why dis me? I’ve been collecting coins since 1968 I think I know a bit. I’m just old school and a bit crabby. I don’t have all the book Knowledge others have but I’ve been in the numismatic trenches for a LONG time. Seen a lot of Lincolns."

I was fortunate to climb out of the "trenches" in the 1960's and educated myself with the help of the ANA. If you are not a member, you may wish to join. I believe they have given coin seminars in your area.

As I wrote before, Welcome to CT.

 

You do realize that ALL COINS tone over time and that toning is destructive to coins right?

 

352sdeer, posted: "Please do yourself a favor and don’t get so upset you dip coins it’s how you do it. I don’t period. I just wish for your sake you didn’t have to."

Well thanks that's thoughtful of you. Fortunately, I ENJOY DIPPING COINS! I love to clean anything. Started as a little kid cleaning mom's jewelry. I've cleaned almost two dozen today but there was a time in the past where I did hundreds a day. A perfect job for a "Dipper."

 

“We all have opinions. Please understand that a majority of your opinions have been discussed, refuted, and buried with the trash UNTIL the next long-time, self-educated, "ex-pert" coin whiz joins CT and pulls the stake out of the dead vampire so he can roam the site sucking in the newbies.”
Way out line there Bucko. VERY disrespectful sir, your pushing it!

 

I honestly don't get what you are saying here. Coins needing conservation is not a matter of quality...it's not about better or worse. Eventually...all coins will be destroyed due to oxidation if they are not properly cared for.

 

That's good!

"Bucko" that's my name, post again and I'll tell you the same.

Don't forget, it's not too late for a collector of any age to join the ANA. They even offer correspondence courses but as of now, AFAIK, there is not one on coin conservation. Perhaps Brian (teaches the course) is working on one you can take.

Take care!

 

I’m done you just want to argue

 

352sdeer, posted: "I’m done you just want to argue."

I don't know about Seattle, WA; but everywhere I've lived, it's called "FREE EDUCATION."

 

If you alter a coin's surface, you are doctoring it. You are NOT in any way conserving it. Conserving a coin means protecting its surfaces against fugure degradation.

 

Dipping a coin alters it's surface...even when correctly done.

 

halfcent1793, posted: "If you alter a coin's surface, you are doctoring it. You are NOT in any way conserving it. Conserving a coin means protecting its surfaces against fugure degradation."

Who can argue with that? Let me give it a try...

I am a coin doctor by your definition. You see, shortly after a coin is struck its surface starts to become "altered" by the environment. Then, when I touch it I'm altering it's surface. When I put acetone on it I'm altering its surface. When I'm conserving a coin , I'm altering its surfaces.

BTW, IMO your definition of conserving a coin is, ah, well...
Numismatic Conservation does NOT PROTECT ANYTHING! Things like Lucite encasement, lacquer, and strong boxes protect things.

 

Not just my opinion!