Question for Early American Copper members...

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  1. Insider

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    Why is a 1796 Large cent S-110 called "reverse of '94?" Approx. how many other 1795, 1796 Large cents have a reverse of '94? Is the double leaf all that is needed? Redbook lists all three reverses for this date. Is this a stupid question? I wish to save some time with a quick education by you guys.

    Thanks!
     
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  3. Clawcoins

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  4. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Well, I try to keep it straight my self! For the 1796 draped busts the reverses are classified by the three you posted and the image is pretty useful:

    reverses.jpg

    Where it gets confusing for me is on the 1798 draped busts; I have seen the following convention used for them:

    1798.jpg

    BUT, for 1798 I have also seen the single top pair of leaves reverse called the reverse of 1796 since a specific reverse die was 1st used for 1796 draped busts (such as S-178)...
     
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  5. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Great question
     
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  6. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Yeah I’m totally confused. Hopefully Jack answered your question. Way to go @Jack D. Young I read again Did learn something
     
  7. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    @Insider , you made me look; now 2 beers in...

    The Redbook shows similar images to what I posted also with leaf counts.

    Researching Sheldon in Penny-Whimsy aids to more answer your posted question.

    He notes reverses starting in 1795 with S-73 through S-78 by the single leaves at top; only the ultra rare S-79 has the double right top leaf and leaf count of the reverse of 1794 and that reverse die is used again in 1796 for 6 varieties including the cited S-110.

    For 1796 draped busts he notes 11 as reverse type of 1794 including the 6 varieties I noted above, 10 as reverse type of 1795, and 12 as reverse type of 1797 (if I can count correctly...).

    For 1797 only 3 have type of 1795, the rest he calls "type, 1796-1807".

    And for 1798 there are 3 varieties that use a previously used 1796 reverse with single leaves noted also as reverse of 1795...

    I can note that there is one 1794 variety with a reworked reverse of 1793, but that was proven after Sheldon.
     
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  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The key identifiers for me are:
    Rev of 94 has single leaves above the O and E of one. This holds true for all the rev of 94 coins EXCEPT the rev used on S-112 and NC-5. (It is listed as a rev of 94 but personally to me it looks more like a rev of 97. It is probably called a rev of 94 because it has 18 leaves on the right branch and the rev of 97 has 19.) All the other rev of 95 and rev of 97 have double leaves there.

    Rev of 95 all have single terminating leaf on both branches.

    Double leaves over O and E and double leaf terminating right branch it is Rev of 97 (or that rev of 94 used on S-112 and NC-5)

    That can be confusing. The reason is the rev TYPE is Rev of 95, but the the dies of this type on the 1798's were all used on Liberty CAP cents of 1796, so they are called rev of 96 because they were USED in 96.
     
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  9. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Jack D. Young said:
    BUT, for 1798 I have also seen the single top pair of leaves reverse called the reverse of 1796 since a specific reverse die was 1st used for 1796 draped busts (such as S-178)...

    @Conder101 stated "That can be confusing. The reason is the rev TYPE is Rev of 95, but the the dies of this type on the 1798's were all used on Liberty CAP cents of 1796, so they are called rev of 96 because they were USED in 96".[/QUOTE]

    Thanks; restated what I tried to say!
     
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  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Thank you!!!! Our customer though that 1796 cents w/Rev'94 were rare. It sounded like they could be but I didn't didn't know. You guys saved me lots of time doing the research.
     
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