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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 5408253, member: 24314"]charley, posted: "i understand your opinion. however, ms problem coins have certainly been graded. the label may not reflect it is a "problem", but it is graded.." <span style="color: #b30000">[yes, and the TPGS decides market acceptability. The same coin is either Unc Details cleaned or MS-61 or 62] </span>market grading is the culprit in many cases, and not quite evaluating the coin thoroughly in the short time and grading load the grader has 9a thankless job) is also a cause.</p><p><br /></p><p>would it happen with technical grading also? certainly. <span style="color: #b30000">[Agree, because that's what TRUE technical grading was designed to do - actually describe the coin's condition of preservation from when it dropped off the press.]</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">[This is the wish of many but it will never happen:]</span> imo, every coin should be graded technically, using agreed to standards that are not market grading standards as defined by the tpg/4pg, but by...say....the ana standards. at one time, pcgs used the ana standards, and even published same in the pcgs evaluation book.</p><p><br /></p><p>i have long advocated that any tpg/4pg grader should be required to meet certain standards, and be issued an identification that certifies their ability, and every graded coin that is encapsulated should have an identifier that links it to the grader, so over time, the grader can be evaluated for minimum standards, and problem graders can then over time be identified and re-trained, etc. the grader should have levels of proficiency by series/types (error etc.) for the coins he/she is evaluating. the eyesight should be checked at a minimum 2x a year by a licensed ophthalmologist, for visual acuity, color spectrum, etc.</p><p>the certification would be good for employment by any tpg/4pg and/or other entities that would want to hire such persons-museums, banks (i am thinking financial instruments held as a family trust for example), and/or a hobbyist/collector/dealer if they want.</p><p><br /></p><p>in my opinion, the tpg/4pg should not be applying a "commercial value" on a coin that is graded by the tpg/4pg.</p><p><br /></p><p>that is simply making a market.</p><p><br /></p><p>do they do so? of course. it is a business for profit.</p><p> </p><p>it is still an opinion, no more and no less, and as such, it is rare there will be agreement." </p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #b30000">BTW, "details grading" that is now practiced by the TPGS is as close to technical grading that we can find today. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 5408253, member: 24314"]charley, posted: "i understand your opinion. however, ms problem coins have certainly been graded. the label may not reflect it is a "problem", but it is graded.." [COLOR=#b30000][yes, and the TPGS decides market acceptability. The same coin is either Unc Details cleaned or MS-61 or 62] [/COLOR]market grading is the culprit in many cases, and not quite evaluating the coin thoroughly in the short time and grading load the grader has 9a thankless job) is also a cause. would it happen with technical grading also? certainly. [COLOR=#b30000][Agree, because that's what TRUE technical grading was designed to do - actually describe the coin's condition of preservation from when it dropped off the press.][/COLOR] [COLOR=#b30000][This is the wish of many but it will never happen:][/COLOR] imo, every coin should be graded technically, using agreed to standards that are not market grading standards as defined by the tpg/4pg, but by...say....the ana standards. at one time, pcgs used the ana standards, and even published same in the pcgs evaluation book. i have long advocated that any tpg/4pg grader should be required to meet certain standards, and be issued an identification that certifies their ability, and every graded coin that is encapsulated should have an identifier that links it to the grader, so over time, the grader can be evaluated for minimum standards, and problem graders can then over time be identified and re-trained, etc. the grader should have levels of proficiency by series/types (error etc.) for the coins he/she is evaluating. the eyesight should be checked at a minimum 2x a year by a licensed ophthalmologist, for visual acuity, color spectrum, etc. the certification would be good for employment by any tpg/4pg and/or other entities that would want to hire such persons-museums, banks (i am thinking financial instruments held as a family trust for example), and/or a hobbyist/collector/dealer if they want. in my opinion, the tpg/4pg should not be applying a "commercial value" on a coin that is graded by the tpg/4pg. that is simply making a market. do they do so? of course. it is a business for profit. it is still an opinion, no more and no less, and as such, it is rare there will be agreement." [COLOR=#b30000]BTW, "details grading" that is now practiced by the TPGS is as close to technical grading that we can find today. ;)[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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