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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GoldFinger1969, post: 5403536, member: 73489&quot;]Right, that&#039;s what confusing to some of us who are NOT experts or are doing this for a shorter period of time.&nbsp; In my collecting experience since the 1970&#039;s, proof means those super-polished mirror-like fields that can look black on coins and very reflective and shiny on silver.</p><p><br /></p><p>So when I see the Proof Saints or Morgans without that look, it can get very confusing.&nbsp; And leads me to wonder how a grader like you, Insider, can tell that a coin like that one above (the PF40) is a proof when even if it had been better preserved and were in Mint State it wouldn&#039;t have the reflectivity and shiny mirrors that easily identify modern proofs.</p><p><br /></p><p>Do you look for special swirling lines or finish ?</p><p><br /></p><p>This is NOT an exact science, BTW...look at the controversy on &quot;Proof&quot; Saint-Gaudens coins, for instance.&nbsp; NGC says they exist, PCGS says they don&#039;t.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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