question about ddd being worthless and not a real error??

The piece I posted from Mike Diamond in post #37 explains it quite well

 

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YES, BUT I HAVE SEEN LETTERS FROM MOTTO CREEPING, AND NOT "DOUBLING" BEING CALLED DDD, SO?? die design deterioration, ddd and everyone says it is worthless, just a late state die, so this nickel seems to be the same die is deteriorated, and letters are encroaching on the rim, you take any given rroll of cents, you will find 2-5 in every roll

 

and i have seen 2-5 cents in every roll of lincolns where the design is on or into the rim, why are they worthless and this nickel 129.00??

 

not doubling i am talking about (on cents) where the letters are smooshed into the rim, it looks like a ring all around the cent

 

https://coinauctionshelp.com/die-deterioration-lincoln-cent-motto-ridge/

this is the die design deterioration (or ddd) i am talking about??

 

Do you even bother to look at the links people provide? Post #9 links to info explaining the differences Between die deterioration, DDD, and design creep. Post 31 tells you where to find info on deterioration known as ridge rings that are common on cents. BTW: Ridge rings ARE NOT the same as design creep. @expat and @Seattlite86 posted links that also provide great explanations.

I don't see any posts that say design creep is the same as DDD. In fact there are many posts that say they are caused by different mechanisms. How did you miss them

I think it's no longer worth the effort to try and help @john65999 He obviously doesn't bother to read any of the info provided. Other than correcting his obvious mistakes so new collectors aren't confused, I see no reason to respond to this guy any longer. I think it's easy to figure out the value and credibility of this member's posts

One final time. READ THE POSTS AND LINKS IN THIS THREAD. All the info is there

 

That is known as a ridge ring and it happens when a die is worn out but still being used by the mint.

 

And this is what we are talking about.

Die Deterioration: Lincoln Cent Motto Ring Ridge




The ridge through the motto is a pressure ridge caused by die wear; the metal flow forms a pressure ridge in this area and is often found on Lincoln Cents.

The mint mark is split plating and is not doubled or doubling if the mint mark but where the copper plating has split away die to die fatigued and exposed the underlying zinc planchet.

Why does the attached cent look exactly like yours? Did you not read the words to go with it? You should as it’s caused by a worn die.

Just click on the link with the X to see the same coin.

 

never meant anything about "doubling" was talking about die design deterioration, or ddd..

 

and also, the nickel is caused by a worn die causing creep, so creep or pressure ring, me thinks same thing, just an overworn die, one worth 129.00 the other is worthless..

 

and the nickel has design creep, caused by a worn die and maybe vaugt, or maybe was still in use??

 

DDD has only two meanings die deterioration doubling and design devouring die wear, which is what @Collecting Nut stated.
You can't just make up something and everybody is supposed to understand.

"die design deterioration, or ddd."
This is simply Die Deterioration.

Again "Design Creep" has nothing to do with either of the above. Read the links.

 

That's where you're wrong. A ridge ring and die creep are caused by different mechanisms. READ THE POSTS! All of the info is right there.

While the asking price for the design creep may be unrealistic, to continue to compare this variety to common forms of die deterioration and ridge rings without reading the information is completely irresponsible on your part.

You've made posts in the past insisting that common machine doubling and die deterioration doubling have value and admonishing knowledgeable and experienced error specialists for calling them worthless. Could this be part of your agenda? Insisting that a die manufacturing error (design creep) is the same as common wear and tear on a properly manufactured die must prove your DDD and MD are truly valuable isn't a very convincing argument.

 

Numerous members with a good understanding of the subject have all tried to help you with this. Links have been provided. Photos have been shown so we can do no more.

 

and have read them all so one die deterioration is worth money but others are not, still confused, a worn die is a worn die is a worn die, so why is the nickel worth $$$ and the others are junk?? they are both from a worn die, correct??

 

how are the cents that have this not the same as "creep" both are from a worn die, design devouring deterioration
is what i meant when i said ddd

 

How can you not distinguish between the two? After striking thousands of planchets a die naturally deteriorates giving you the unmistakable late die stage strikes seen on all series and denominations. The "creep" was an anomaly involving the manufacturing of only those dies for those nickels in that year, nowhere else and no other series. So normal DDD = no added value, Die creep = only applicable to those nickels and with a distinct difference in look to DDD, therefore value.

 

Not die devouring deterioration

DESIGN DEVOURING DETERIORATION

 

i give up, to me they both look like worn die issues, so they caught the nickel in time , maybe not many out there, whatever, i would not pay that much for something i still do not understand...thanks for all the comments, i am out on this thread>>>>>>

 

DDD happens on all coins, in all years as the Mint over uses the die. The Design Creep on the Nickel only occurred once, on the Nickel and only for the year given. If memory serves me correctly, there were less than 50 found, all in the same area and by the same person.