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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;desertgem, post: 791652, member: 15199&quot;]They were there then, mainly from cardboard holders or paper coin envelopes, but the collecting philosophy then was &quot;bright white&quot; like the day it left the mint, even if it had to be dipped in cyanide or acid to become such. The pendulum swung towards &quot;original&quot; surfaces, and toning was deemed a way the less experienced collector could obtain such , even if they couldn&#039;t tell a dipped or cleaned coin or not. Obviously not true, as many explored ways to produce toning on untoned surfaces and many coins were certified before the TPG realized that it was occurring in such great numbers, so certification should imply &quot;marketability&quot; rather than whether AT/NT. JMHO.</p><p><br /></p><p>Jim[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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