Question about 1891 Hong Kong 50 cent piece w/ Cud error?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by TylerH, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    Hi All

    Im very new to coin collecting but just inherited a small random "collection" - I explain the story more in the introductions category -

    Anyhow been sorting it and having fun with the foreign stuff. A coin collector friend of mine came by and took a look and saw this coin and said "oh this is cool, a CUD error!"

    I had just separated it because at the time i was determining what coins were silver, and it looked like a nice coin condition wise for being from 1891 -

    Threw it in a 2X2 and there it sat. Now Im going through these again and I wanted to know your thoughts - The CUD is on the back at 7 oclock

    Also- as a rookie here - wondering what the condition of this might be as I see they can be worth over $100 in XF40.. But the grading is still hard to wrap my head around.

    Also - does the CUD make it more valuable?

    Sorry if these are super basic questions, Just trying to wrap my head around this while dipping my toes into a new hobby!


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  3. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Well-Known Member

    There were only 150,000 of these struck and counterfeits do exist.
    It should weigh 13.5769g and no more.
    Check it with a magnet.
  4. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    Good to know - What should the magnet tell me? I assume if its silver it wont stick?
  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

    my 2004 Krause catalog has KM#9.2 .800-silver. same weight. mintage-70,000
    VF-$60.00 XF-$100 UNC-$550
    I am almost positive these values are higher now.
    I would be guessing that this is a XF-AU grade the "cud" might add value on to it ??? wait for more opinions...
    cool coin. :cool::cat::cat::cat:
  6. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    Ok - So it passed the magnet test (didnt stick) but I dont have a scale that can do weights that finely - There is a coin shop in town though so I can take it there.

    Im assuming my grandparents picked this up on a trip to London, and they last went in the 1980s - Were there fakes then?

    None of my family actually collected coins - My traveler grandparents just brought back random ones from trips, and my other grandma just threw silver "change" into a tub for 40 years :)
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  7. Chris B

    Chris B Well-Known Member

    The current Krause values haven't changed. The "cud" price adjustment would depend on the buyer. It wouldn't do anything for me but others may like it.
  8. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    So if XF is 100, and UNC is 550 - How does XF- AU rate? Again, sorry for these type of questions -
  9. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast Supporter

    Those prices are just a suggestion. Eye appeal will ultimately determine the value as much as condition, for higher grade coins especially. For this one the appeal is about average. The cud is appealing to some collectors and a turn-off to others. If you plan to auction it the cud will likely not make a significant difference. If a direct sale to a specialist then of course the price will be higher.
    The coin looks genuine to me, but your pictures are a bit blurry so can't be 100% sure.
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  10. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    It's a somewhat semi scarce coin. A clearer photo would most definitely help.

    Even at VF condition, it's easily a 100+ dollar coin.
  11. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    I THINK these are better - My phone camera isn't great and my good camera is packed away - sigh...

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  12. Chris B

    Chris B Well-Known Member

    Wow, that picture helps. I would give it an easy XF.
  13. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    That's a great looking coin. I love the detail in the crown on imperial Victorian coins. XF all day in my estimation.
  14. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    I'm currently on a small device so I can't see if it has the Heaton mint mark. Heaton mintage figure is smaller in general and would command a higher price.

    Still somewhat scarce when its xf condition. Reckon it would be easy to hit 250+ USD but please don't quote me on the figure.

    But honestly, wow!
  15. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much! Where would the mint mark be? I’ll look and try to get a better pic
  16. Muzyck

    Muzyck I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a buscuit today.

    I think the mint mark would be right below the bust. I don't see any but could just be the photo. Coin is a real beauty.
  17. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    Thank you! Just checked and no mint mark on this one!
  18. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    Nice rim cud! Might get a little love on the error coin forum too
  19. buckeye73

    buckeye73 Member

    This coin with no H mint mark is listed as KM 9.1 in Krause. It is an easy EF imo. This coin could reach AU. It has been in my experience of 25 years plus collecting world coins that lastest Krause values are generally high retail and collectors can often purchase raw (unslabbed) coins at a 20% or more discount to Krause values. Just wanted to add that perspective to the thread. Weight of the coin is vital in evaluating whether it is real.
  20. TylerH

    TylerH Well-Known Member

    I think I’m going to send it in to PCGS or NGC. A friend is sending a few coins so I’m going to piggy back off his submission.
  21. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    I hope it gets a good grade. I collect all sorts of Victoria coins but I haven’t gotten one of those yet. It’s really hard to grade from pictures and I don’t want to be a party pooper but it could come back as cleaned. That’s mostly based on color so I could be wrong.
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