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<p>[QUOTE="seth77, post: 8096813, member: 56653"]The story of the <i>emporium </i>at Quentovic is interesting and controversial in itself -- I really recommend S. Coupland's <i>Trading Places: Quentovic and Dorestad reassessed, </i>Early Medieval Europe, Nov. 2002 to anyone familiar with the theme of the maritime <i>limes </i>of the late Carolingian realm and not just from the uni-dimensional perspective of Viking encroachment and interconnection.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1407454[/ATTACH]</p><p>AR23x22mm 1.13g silver grand denier, ca. 750-700/1000, Quentovic mint, ca. 950-980.</p><p>+ GRAT[IA D-I R]EX (legend starts at 9 o'clock); Carolingian monogram H R L S</p><p>+ QVVENT[OVVICI]; cross with bezant in 2nd quarter and annulet in 3rd quarter</p><p>cf. Depeyrot 812, cf. Poey d'Avant 6591; Fecamp 6277-6323</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>At this time, around the middle of the 10th century and after, Quentovic's denier is based on the coinage introduced after the Edict of Pitres in 864, but with obvious 10th century characteristics, like a wider flan, the bezant and the annulet in the quarters of the cross and the variation of the monogram based on H R L S (or perhaps L H R S with a possible hint in the fact that the legend starts at 9 o'clock). The mint at the <i>emporium </i>of Quentovic minted these immobilizations extensively between ca. 920 and 980 and the coins were widely circulated from the continent to Anglo-Saxon England and (of course) Scandinavia. This specimen seems to be of the later part of the series, with lower weight and a less cared-for overall appearance, like flat strikes, legend variations and possibly over-used dies. Similar examples, very likely from the same general issue <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6354418" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6354418" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=684441" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=684441" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5901339" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5901339" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6920432" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6920432" rel="nofollow">here</a> etc. A similar coin was also in the De Wit Collection (Kunker 121 p. 88 245). In 'tresor de Fecamp' there were ca. 510 similar coins of different variations, dated mostly 920 to ca. 980 when the hoard was possibly closed (980-5, so the full extent of the 10th century mintage), in Anglo-Saxon England 6 similar coins were in the Cuerdale Hoard (Dhenin, Leclercq - The Coins of Quentovic from the Cuerdale Hoard in the museum of Boulogne-sur-Mer, BNJ 1982, pp. 104-7).</p><p><br /></p><p>A very interesting and problematic aspect regarding these very late immobilizations of the 'Edit de Pitres' denier deals with the authority that disposed the minting and benefited from the <i>seigneuriage</i>. With these very late issues where the monogram degenerated from the name of Charlemagne, replacing the C (and K) with an H, a hint could be in the reading of the 'new' re-worked monogram, which could be alluding to King Lothaire III of West Francia, which in turn could point to the influence and authority that Herbert 'le Vieux' de Vermandois (ally of Lothaire and the most powerful power broker in Picardie and the Flemish coast) had over Quentovic at this time. Herbert had coins minted with Lothaire's name (at Troyes for instance) while a re-worked Carolingian monogram for Lothaire keeping this basic and generic form, carried over from Charlemagne's time, is recorded to ca. 980 at Bourges (see <a href="https://www.cgb.fr/lothaire-denier-tb-,bca_703158,a.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cgb.fr/lothaire-denier-tb-,bca_703158,a.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for an example).</p><p><br /></p><p>These circumstances would turn this coinage -- or at least this late phase of the series -- into a 'feudal' series, thus marking the difficulties of assigning issues to the end of the Carolingian period or the beginning of feudal coinage.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="seth77, post: 8096813, member: 56653"]The story of the [I]emporium [/I]at Quentovic is interesting and controversial in itself -- I really recommend S. Coupland's [I]Trading Places: Quentovic and Dorestad reassessed, [/I]Early Medieval Europe, Nov. 2002 to anyone familiar with the theme of the maritime [I]limes [/I]of the late Carolingian realm and not just from the uni-dimensional perspective of Viking encroachment and interconnection. [ATTACH=full]1407454[/ATTACH] AR23x22mm 1.13g silver grand denier, ca. 750-700/1000, Quentovic mint, ca. 950-980. + GRAT[IA D-I R]EX (legend starts at 9 o'clock); Carolingian monogram H R L S + QVVENT[OVVICI]; cross with bezant in 2nd quarter and annulet in 3rd quarter cf. Depeyrot 812, cf. Poey d'Avant 6591; Fecamp 6277-6323 At this time, around the middle of the 10th century and after, Quentovic's denier is based on the coinage introduced after the Edict of Pitres in 864, but with obvious 10th century characteristics, like a wider flan, the bezant and the annulet in the quarters of the cross and the variation of the monogram based on H R L S (or perhaps L H R S with a possible hint in the fact that the legend starts at 9 o'clock). The mint at the [I]emporium [/I]of Quentovic minted these immobilizations extensively between ca. 920 and 980 and the coins were widely circulated from the continent to Anglo-Saxon England and (of course) Scandinavia. This specimen seems to be of the later part of the series, with lower weight and a less cared-for overall appearance, like flat strikes, legend variations and possibly over-used dies. Similar examples, very likely from the same general issue [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6354418']here[/URL], [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=684441']here[/URL], [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5901339']here[/URL], [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6920432']here[/URL] etc. A similar coin was also in the De Wit Collection (Kunker 121 p. 88 245). In 'tresor de Fecamp' there were ca. 510 similar coins of different variations, dated mostly 920 to ca. 980 when the hoard was possibly closed (980-5, so the full extent of the 10th century mintage), in Anglo-Saxon England 6 similar coins were in the Cuerdale Hoard (Dhenin, Leclercq - The Coins of Quentovic from the Cuerdale Hoard in the museum of Boulogne-sur-Mer, BNJ 1982, pp. 104-7). A very interesting and problematic aspect regarding these very late immobilizations of the 'Edit de Pitres' denier deals with the authority that disposed the minting and benefited from the [I]seigneuriage[/I]. With these very late issues where the monogram degenerated from the name of Charlemagne, replacing the C (and K) with an H, a hint could be in the reading of the 'new' re-worked monogram, which could be alluding to King Lothaire III of West Francia, which in turn could point to the influence and authority that Herbert 'le Vieux' de Vermandois (ally of Lothaire and the most powerful power broker in Picardie and the Flemish coast) had over Quentovic at this time. Herbert had coins minted with Lothaire's name (at Troyes for instance) while a re-worked Carolingian monogram for Lothaire keeping this basic and generic form, carried over from Charlemagne's time, is recorded to ca. 980 at Bourges (see [URL='https://www.cgb.fr/lothaire-denier-tb-,bca_703158,a.html']here[/URL] for an example). These circumstances would turn this coinage -- or at least this late phase of the series -- into a 'feudal' series, thus marking the difficulties of assigning issues to the end of the Carolingian period or the beginning of feudal coinage.[/QUOTE]
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