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<p>[QUOTE="The Eidolon, post: 4517924, member: 102103"]Day 63: Continuing the billion photo series, some Prussian silber groschen</p><p><br /></p><p>Top: 1824 A, Friedrich Wilhelm III, 0.222 fine</p><p>Bottom: 1872 A Wilhelm I, 0.222 fine</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1119257[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1119258[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Prussia seems to have used a variety if different silver finenesses for its denominational coinage, from 0.222 for the 1/2 and 1 silber groschen, up to 0.900 for the double thaler. At 30 silber groschen to the thaler, I made a little chart of all the 1800s Prussian silver denominations to show what fraction of full bodied they were compared to the thaler.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1119261[/ATTACH] </p><p>The smaller denominations contain only about 87% silver content for their value. Keeping small denominations slightly underweight was a common practice in multiple countries in response to chronic shortages of silver small change. This made small change less attractive targets to be melted or exported. Oddly, two of the denominations from before the 1821 currency standardization seem to have been significantly overweight compared to the thaler. These were the 4 groschen (made until 1809) and the 2/3 thaler (made until 1810). I don't believe Prussia was on the gold standard yet, so I'm not sure how these could have coexisted at the same time as the thaler, which was consistent in weight and fineness over this era. In spite of the variations in fineness, the rest of the larger denominations from the 5 groschen up to the double thaler all have about the same silver content per unit.</p><p><br /></p><p>The silber groschen also provides a nice example of why small coins were made out of billon. At 2.19 g of 0.222 fineness, it only contained 0.4842 g of silver content. If it had been made of 90% silver with the same value, it would have needed to be a tiny coin weighing only about 0.54 grams. Comparing that to the smallest US silver coins from the 1800s, like the 1.35 g half dime or the 0.75 g Type II 3-cent piece, you can see how impractical that would have been. And a half silber groschen would have been even tinier, only 0.27 grams if made at 90% fineness. Anyway, if one wanted to make small-denomination coinage out of silver, billon alloy was the only practical way to make them large enough to handle. </p><p><br /></p><p>Countries like England with a strong tradition of not changing the fineness of silver denominations (at least until Henry VIII's debasements) did make silver halfpennies and farthings (about 0.4 grams) with tiny weights, but they were probably no more practical than cutting a silver penny in half as needed.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1119278[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="The Eidolon, post: 4517924, member: 102103"]Day 63: Continuing the billion photo series, some Prussian silber groschen Top: 1824 A, Friedrich Wilhelm III, 0.222 fine Bottom: 1872 A Wilhelm I, 0.222 fine [ATTACH=full]1119257[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1119258[/ATTACH] Prussia seems to have used a variety if different silver finenesses for its denominational coinage, from 0.222 for the 1/2 and 1 silber groschen, up to 0.900 for the double thaler. At 30 silber groschen to the thaler, I made a little chart of all the 1800s Prussian silver denominations to show what fraction of full bodied they were compared to the thaler. [ATTACH=full]1119261[/ATTACH] The smaller denominations contain only about 87% silver content for their value. Keeping small denominations slightly underweight was a common practice in multiple countries in response to chronic shortages of silver small change. This made small change less attractive targets to be melted or exported. Oddly, two of the denominations from before the 1821 currency standardization seem to have been significantly overweight compared to the thaler. These were the 4 groschen (made until 1809) and the 2/3 thaler (made until 1810). I don't believe Prussia was on the gold standard yet, so I'm not sure how these could have coexisted at the same time as the thaler, which was consistent in weight and fineness over this era. In spite of the variations in fineness, the rest of the larger denominations from the 5 groschen up to the double thaler all have about the same silver content per unit. The silber groschen also provides a nice example of why small coins were made out of billon. At 2.19 g of 0.222 fineness, it only contained 0.4842 g of silver content. If it had been made of 90% silver with the same value, it would have needed to be a tiny coin weighing only about 0.54 grams. Comparing that to the smallest US silver coins from the 1800s, like the 1.35 g half dime or the 0.75 g Type II 3-cent piece, you can see how impractical that would have been. And a half silber groschen would have been even tinier, only 0.27 grams if made at 90% fineness. Anyway, if one wanted to make small-denomination coinage out of silver, billon alloy was the only practical way to make them large enough to handle. Countries like England with a strong tradition of not changing the fineness of silver denominations (at least until Henry VIII's debasements) did make silver halfpennies and farthings (about 0.4 grams) with tiny weights, but they were probably no more practical than cutting a silver penny in half as needed. [ATTACH=full]1119278[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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