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<p>[QUOTE="The Eidolon, post: 4278194, member: 102103"]While we are on the Tudor Dynasty, here are two more of mine:</p><p>Top: "Bloody" Mary groat, 1553-1554, before her marriage to Prince Philip of Spain</p><p>Bottom: Elizabeth I 6 pence, 1581 (5th issue)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1088860[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]1088861[/ATTACH] </p><p>Here are some better examples on Numista: <a href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17876.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17876.html" rel="nofollow">Mary Groat</a>, <a href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17880.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17880.html" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth 6p</a></p><p><br /></p><p>A couple notes--Both of the reverses have a shield over a long cross with the quadrants having lions representing England and Fleur-de-Lys representing France.</p><p>At the time of the earlier coin, England still controlled Calais on the mainland, though it would be lost later in Mary's reign with the Siege of Calais in 1558. The Crown still controls the formerly Norman Channel Islands of Jersey and Guernsey, which were acquired by conquest in reverse when the Normans conquered England in 1066.</p><p><br /></p><p>Elizabeth's coin still makes the claim to the lost territories in France, calling her "ELIZAB.D.G.ANG.FR.ET.HIB.REGINA" (Elizabeth, by the grace of God, Queen of England, France and Ireland).</p><p><br /></p><p>Scotland wouldn't be part of the kingdom until the personal union under Elizabeth I's successor, James VI of Scotland/James I of England. The United Kingdom came still later in 1707 and is still hanging on for now in spite of Brexit!</p><p><br /></p><p>Mary and Elizabeth were half-sisters and rivals, neither of whom were initially expected to inherit the throne because of their younger half-brother, who ruled as Edward VI, but died unmarried at age 15. Henry VIII and Edward VI debased the currency from 92.5% silver during the Great Debasement of 1544-1551. The sisters inherited a kingdom in poor economic condition, divided by religion, and with near-constant rebellion by various nobles. However ruthless, Elizabeth must have been very shrewd to keep it all together! She reportedly stayed unmarried to play various factions off against each other. Strange to think that if Mary I had birthed a male heir, history might have seen a Catholic England in personal union with the Kingdom of Spain.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="The Eidolon, post: 4278194, member: 102103"]While we are on the Tudor Dynasty, here are two more of mine: Top: "Bloody" Mary groat, 1553-1554, before her marriage to Prince Philip of Spain Bottom: Elizabeth I 6 pence, 1581 (5th issue) [ATTACH=full]1088860[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]1088861[/ATTACH] Here are some better examples on Numista: [URL='https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17876.html']Mary Groat[/URL], [URL='https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17880.html']Elizabeth 6p[/URL] A couple notes--Both of the reverses have a shield over a long cross with the quadrants having lions representing England and Fleur-de-Lys representing France. At the time of the earlier coin, England still controlled Calais on the mainland, though it would be lost later in Mary's reign with the Siege of Calais in 1558. The Crown still controls the formerly Norman Channel Islands of Jersey and Guernsey, which were acquired by conquest in reverse when the Normans conquered England in 1066. Elizabeth's coin still makes the claim to the lost territories in France, calling her "ELIZAB.D.G.ANG.FR.ET.HIB.REGINA" (Elizabeth, by the grace of God, Queen of England, France and Ireland). Scotland wouldn't be part of the kingdom until the personal union under Elizabeth I's successor, James VI of Scotland/James I of England. The United Kingdom came still later in 1707 and is still hanging on for now in spite of Brexit! Mary and Elizabeth were half-sisters and rivals, neither of whom were initially expected to inherit the throne because of their younger half-brother, who ruled as Edward VI, but died unmarried at age 15. Henry VIII and Edward VI debased the currency from 92.5% silver during the Great Debasement of 1544-1551. The sisters inherited a kingdom in poor economic condition, divided by religion, and with near-constant rebellion by various nobles. However ruthless, Elizabeth must have been very shrewd to keep it all together! She reportedly stayed unmarried to play various factions off against each other. Strange to think that if Mary I had birthed a male heir, history might have seen a Catholic England in personal union with the Kingdom of Spain.[/QUOTE]
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