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<p>[QUOTE="jcz1, post: 800304, member: 20494"]Just wanted to update everyone on this "PVC Residue" which I now put in quotes because it may not actually exist. Why? Read on...</p><p><br /></p><p>So I sent this and some other coins to NCS to conserve and forward to NGC for grading. Since I got this Trade Dollar from Paul Sims, I was fairly sure it has been cleaned, and I wanted a Details slab if that was indeed the case. (Trade Dollars are apparently often counterfeited so I thought a slab would make it easier to sell, even if Details.) I sent these back in mid-December, and they just arrived today.</p><p><br /></p><p>Surprise - no PVC! There were 4 other coins in this lot that were all stored the same way, and no PVC on any of them. I say this because NCS charged me just $5 for each coin, which is the minimum evaluation fee. There was no charge under Conservation on the invoice, for any coin. NGC did indeed slab it, which I'm assuming they would not do if it had PVC residue on it.</p><p><br /></p><p>This makes me wonder about PCGS, which said there was residue. I sent this to them as part of their Collectors Club fall special, so maybe they just look for excuses to avoid working on these submissions. (Interestingly, it came back in a flip, not a Genuine slab as I thought it was supposed to nowadays, but maybe that's not true for CC submissions?)</p><p><br /></p><p>And just to provide further evidence of what so many say about Sims and Coast to Coast (selling cleaned coins, sometimes not even BU at that), I thought I'd list what came back, what I paid, what grade it was sold as, and by what company (all purchases early 1990s):</p><p><br /></p><p>1874-S Trade Dollar, bought from Paul Sims as XF for $150, came back AU Details - Improperly Cleaned. (Oops - I'm sure they didn't mean to sell me an AU coin!)</p><p><br /></p><p>1917 Walker, bought from Coast to Coast as Gem BU for $95, came back AU 55.</p><p><br /></p><p>1917 Type 1 St. Lib Quarter, bought from Paul Sims as Gem BU for $150, came back UNC Details - Improperly Cleaned.</p><p><br /></p><p>1892 Barber Dime, bought from Coast to Coast as Gem BU for $129, came back UNC Details - Improperly Cleaned</p><p><br /></p><p>1822 Bust Half, bought from G&F Coin Galleries as XF for $100, came back XF 45 (way to go G&F!)</p><p><br /></p><p>Obviously, lesson learned, though if there had been forums like this back then, I might have learned from someone else's lesson. There are still others in my collection from those two cleaning companies - not sure if I will have them slabbed now.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="jcz1, post: 800304, member: 20494"]Just wanted to update everyone on this "PVC Residue" which I now put in quotes because it may not actually exist. Why? Read on... So I sent this and some other coins to NCS to conserve and forward to NGC for grading. Since I got this Trade Dollar from Paul Sims, I was fairly sure it has been cleaned, and I wanted a Details slab if that was indeed the case. (Trade Dollars are apparently often counterfeited so I thought a slab would make it easier to sell, even if Details.) I sent these back in mid-December, and they just arrived today. Surprise - no PVC! There were 4 other coins in this lot that were all stored the same way, and no PVC on any of them. I say this because NCS charged me just $5 for each coin, which is the minimum evaluation fee. There was no charge under Conservation on the invoice, for any coin. NGC did indeed slab it, which I'm assuming they would not do if it had PVC residue on it. This makes me wonder about PCGS, which said there was residue. I sent this to them as part of their Collectors Club fall special, so maybe they just look for excuses to avoid working on these submissions. (Interestingly, it came back in a flip, not a Genuine slab as I thought it was supposed to nowadays, but maybe that's not true for CC submissions?) And just to provide further evidence of what so many say about Sims and Coast to Coast (selling cleaned coins, sometimes not even BU at that), I thought I'd list what came back, what I paid, what grade it was sold as, and by what company (all purchases early 1990s): 1874-S Trade Dollar, bought from Paul Sims as XF for $150, came back AU Details - Improperly Cleaned. (Oops - I'm sure they didn't mean to sell me an AU coin!) 1917 Walker, bought from Coast to Coast as Gem BU for $95, came back AU 55. 1917 Type 1 St. Lib Quarter, bought from Paul Sims as Gem BU for $150, came back UNC Details - Improperly Cleaned. 1892 Barber Dime, bought from Coast to Coast as Gem BU for $129, came back UNC Details - Improperly Cleaned 1822 Bust Half, bought from G&F Coin Galleries as XF for $100, came back XF 45 (way to go G&F!) Obviously, lesson learned, though if there had been forums like this back then, I might have learned from someone else's lesson. There are still others in my collection from those two cleaning companies - not sure if I will have them slabbed now.[/QUOTE]
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