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<p>[QUOTE="John Anthony, post: 1781965, member: 42773"]I picked up this little Ptolemaic bronze today, for the sake of collecting a few examples of the coins that served as hosts to my overstruck Proto-Nabataeans. I think it's in pretty decent shape: everything seems to be there, and it's got a pleasant look. It was rather cheap too - maybe because it's small? Probably most collectors go after the big, husky types for the sake of tactile appeal.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://s21.postimg.org/8bikkidqv/ptolemy3.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000000">EGYPT. PHOENICIA: <b>TYRE</b><b>. Ptolemy III Euergetes</b> I 247-220 BC.AE. </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000000">( 2.77</span><span style="color: #000000">g, 16mm, 12h)</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000000">Diademed bust right of Zeus Ammon right. </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000000">Reverse..<b>ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ BAΣΙΛEΩΣ</b>, eagle standing left on thunderbolt, club. </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000000">Ref: Sv.1253, SNG Cop 502 </span></p><p><br /></p><p>That's the dealer's attribution, but I found an online version of Svoronos's <i>Ta Tomismata tou Kratous ton Ptolemaion </i><a href="http://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos_book3.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos_book3.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and it raises a few questions. This is the text plate for coins 1251-1253...</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://s7.postimg.org/ou6vjed17/ptolemy3attribution.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p> </p><p>First of all, Sv. 1253 doesn't correspond to SNG Cop 502, but rather 503. So which is it? Obviously Svoronos was segregating these pieces according to size and weight. By weight, my coin is 1253, but by size it's 1252. Also, Svoronos notes that there is some sort of control symbol between the eagle's legs, which I don't see on my coin - perhaps it's worn away, or the coin is of a different type altogether.</p><p> </p><p>At any rate, that link above is a great resource for anyone wanting to use an expensive and rare numismatic volume to attribute Ptolemaics. The only criticism I have is that the image plates are not of a high resolution, and become mostly useless when it comes to small coins...</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://postimage.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://s17.postimg.org/irus7lr7z/ptolemy3big_plate.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p> </p><p>Another great attribution resource is here...</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.megagem.com/ancient/ptolemy_series.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.megagem.com/ancient/ptolemy_series.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.megagem.com/ancient/ptolemy_series.html</a></p><p> </p><p>I thought I'd take a quick look at Ptolemaic bronzes today to see if I could hone my abilities at recognizing the undertypes on my Proto-Nabataeans, but holy moley, talk about information overkill. It's going to take a while for me to get even a basic grasp of the subject.</p><p> </p><p>Now I know you guys and gals have some of these coins, so cough 'em up!!!![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="John Anthony, post: 1781965, member: 42773"]I picked up this little Ptolemaic bronze today, for the sake of collecting a few examples of the coins that served as hosts to my overstruck Proto-Nabataeans. I think it's in pretty decent shape: everything seems to be there, and it's got a pleasant look. It was rather cheap too - maybe because it's small? Probably most collectors go after the big, husky types for the sake of tactile appeal. [URL='http://postimage.org/'][IMG]http://s21.postimg.org/8bikkidqv/ptolemy3.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [CENTER][COLOR=#000000]EGYPT. PHOENICIA: [B]TYRE[/B][B]. Ptolemy III Euergetes[/B] I 247-220 BC.AE. [/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=#000000]( 2.77[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]g, 16mm, 12h)[/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=#000000]Diademed bust right of Zeus Ammon right. [/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=#000000]Reverse..[B]ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ BAΣΙΛEΩΣ[/B], eagle standing left on thunderbolt, club. [/COLOR][/CENTER] [CENTER][COLOR=#000000]Ref: Sv.1253, SNG Cop 502 [/COLOR][/CENTER] That's the dealer's attribution, but I found an online version of Svoronos's [I]Ta Tomismata tou Kratous ton Ptolemaion [/I][URL='http://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos_book3.html']here[/URL], and it raises a few questions. This is the text plate for coins 1251-1253... [URL='http://postimage.org/'][IMG]http://s7.postimg.org/ou6vjed17/ptolemy3attribution.jpg[/IMG][/URL] First of all, Sv. 1253 doesn't correspond to SNG Cop 502, but rather 503. So which is it? Obviously Svoronos was segregating these pieces according to size and weight. By weight, my coin is 1253, but by size it's 1252. Also, Svoronos notes that there is some sort of control symbol between the eagle's legs, which I don't see on my coin - perhaps it's worn away, or the coin is of a different type altogether. At any rate, that link above is a great resource for anyone wanting to use an expensive and rare numismatic volume to attribute Ptolemaics. The only criticism I have is that the image plates are not of a high resolution, and become mostly useless when it comes to small coins... [URL='http://postimage.org/'][IMG]http://s17.postimg.org/irus7lr7z/ptolemy3big_plate.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Another great attribution resource is here... [url]http://www.megagem.com/ancient/ptolemy_series.html[/url] I thought I'd take a quick look at Ptolemaic bronzes today to see if I could hone my abilities at recognizing the undertypes on my Proto-Nabataeans, but holy moley, talk about information overkill. It's going to take a while for me to get even a basic grasp of the subject. Now I know you guys and gals have some of these coins, so cough 'em up!!!![/QUOTE]
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