Ptolemy - But which one?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Topcat7, Aug 24, 2016.

  1. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    I just purchased this (Silver) Ptolemy with a massacred 'reverse'.
    I am hoping that someone might see something on the 'obverse' design that would help me to identify the ruler (at least)?
    On the 'reverse', I can make out 'OY', so I am guessing that there is an eagle in there somewhere?
    I haven't received the coin yet, so I only have the seller's pictures to go by.
    Any assistance is welcome. Thanks.

    PTOLEMY (O).jpg PTOLEMY (R).jpg

    EDIT: I have been through all 12 of the Ptolemys on 'Wildwinds' but I cannot find what I would call a 'match'.
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2016
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  4. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    Cute, Bing, but doesn't help me much.
    (I've been doing that myself for some time.)
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Cute? Ok, but I still don't know the answer to your question. Sorry.
     
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  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with these to make an educated guess from the bust. If it were mine I would probably spend some time on vcoins, wildwinds, etc. looking for something similar. Hopefully someone chimes in with a better answer.
     
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  7. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    I assume its a silver Tetradrachm , weight around 14 gram diameter 25mm ?
    For sure it has an eagle on the reverse,
    and looking at the OY , I think this one comes close, but without the monograms in the field its just an educated guess.
    Ptolemy I Soter tet:
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  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    What is the weight of your coin, Topcat? It might help narrow the field a bit because standards changed over the years, dramatically during Ptolemy I's reign and subtly in later eras.

    I feel certain that it is not one of the earliest Ptolemaic rulers-- not Ptolemy I, not Ptolemy II-- based on the portrait. Ptolemy I and II's portraits show rounder features with a puffiness at the brow and lateral eye. The later portraits have more compact and angular features, like your coins. Browsing the Ptolemy plates in SNG Copenhangen volume 8 (the only volume I own), I'd put yours at Ptolemy VI or later based on what I can glean from the portrait.

    Since these Ptolemaic coins are generally identified by features found on the reverse, you're probably out of luck in terms of getting a definite answer.
     
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  9. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    The style is consistent with the much later Ptolemies.

    They get more abstract and less artistic.

    Look at my Ptolemy X here to see what I mean.

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  10. dougsmit

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    Error, my reply referred to Andres2's coin not the OP.
     
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  11. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    I apologize to all for buying this coin.
    Being (relatively) new to collecting 'ancients' I was so surprised to see a silver Ptolemy for sale, (pretty much all of the Ptolemys that I had seen before were bronze), that I grabbed it. My 'enthusiasm' over-ruled my better judgement and I took little notice of the coin's over-all condition. (The price was 'right', too, at US$53.50 landed.)
    Thank you all for your constructive comments.

    The seller says that the coin is 27 mm., and 12.64 gm. (Again, my apologies. I should have put those up earlier.) Do they help?
    I am guessing that with the damage to the reverse the weight might be a bit 'light'?
     
  12. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....


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    JK TC,you will always be my favourite Australian!
    Love yah bud!!!;)
     
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