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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 7394037, member: 99456"][ATTACH=full]1286522[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="2"><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rosetta_Stone.JPG#/media/File:Rosetta_Stone.JPG" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rosetta_Stone.JPG#/media/File:Rosetta_Stone.JPG" rel="nofollow">Rosetta Stone © Hans Hillewaert</a> used under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/" rel="nofollow">CC BY-SA 4.0</a></font></p><p><br /></p><p>I have quite a few Roman provincial Egyptian coins, but have not ventured much into the Ptolemaic era. This first coin is one that I find compelling for the portrait of Isis also for its link to Ptolemy V and the Rosetta Stone (or Memphis decree) affirming the royal cult of the king. The Rosetta stone a personal favorite stop in the British Museum along with the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_Map_of_the_World" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_Map_of_the_World" rel="nofollow">Babylonian Map of the World</a>.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1286492[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Ptolemaic Kings of Egypt,</b> <strike>Ptolemy V Epiphanes, 204-180 BC</strike> <b>temp. Ptolemy VI–VIII, circa 180-116 BC</b>, AE (25mm, 14.51 g, 12h), Alexandria mint, Series 6e [See note from [USER=84744]@Severus Alexander[/USER], below - series probably 7c based on weight and <a href="http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html" rel="nofollow">Wolf site</a> notes - which would also mean Ptolemy VI–VIII rather than V]</p><p><b>Obv:</b> Head of Isis right, wearing wreath of grain ears, and her hair in long curls</p><p><b>Rev: </b>ΠTOΛEMAIOY-BAΣIΛEΩΣ, eagle with open wings standing left on thunderbolt</p><p><b>Ref: </b><a href="https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc001p173t.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc001p173t.html" rel="nofollow">Svoronos 1235</a>; <a href="http://www.ptolemaic.net/SecondCenturyBC/pdfs/Faucher-Lorber-AJN-2010.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ptolemaic.net/SecondCenturyBC/pdfs/Faucher-Lorber-AJN-2010.pdf" rel="nofollow">Faucher & Lorber Series 6e or 7c</a>; SNG Copenhagen 247–8</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1286814[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Note:</b> Some useful information at <a href="http://www.ptolemaic.net/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ptolemaic.net/" rel="nofollow">Ptolemaic.net</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I find myself fairly lost trying to differentiate rulers. As highlighted by Severus Alexander, I didn't have the attribution right on this Isis Coin, and I think I am right on the next one, Ptolemy II, but not knowing these coins well, I have many questions:</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Q1 - Denomination</b>: <a href="http://www.ptolemaic.net/SecondCenturyBC/pdfs/Faucher-Lorber-AJN-2010.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ptolemaic.net/SecondCenturyBC/pdfs/Faucher-Lorber-AJN-2010.pdf" rel="nofollow">Faucher and Lorber</a> were helpful, but I still don't know whether I should call this Isis coin a diobol, Denomination B or something else...is there a system of naming or a summary of the denominations and how they changed over the years?</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a second coin from Ptolemaic Egypt:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1286466[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Ptolemaic Kings of Egypt, Ptolemy II Philadelphos</b>, 285-246BC, AE Diobol (31.7mm, 20.79g, 12h), Alexandria mint, post-reform, series 3, Struck circa 261/0-246 BC</p><p><b>Obv: </b>Diademed head of Zeus-Ammon right</p><p><b>Rev:</b> ΠΤΟΛEΜΑΙOΥ BAΣΙΛEΩΣ, eagle with closed wings standing left on thunderbolt; ∆ between legs</p><p><b>Ref: </b><a href="https://archive.org/details/tanomismatatoukrv1v2sbor/page/68/mode/2up?q=438" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/tanomismatatoukrv1v2sbor/page/68/mode/2up?q=438" rel="nofollow">Svoronos 438</a>; Weiser –; SNG Copenhagen 156; Noeske –; <a href="http://B218" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://B218" rel="nofollow">PCO B218</a>; CoinProject <a href="http://www.coinproject.com/coin_detail.php?coin=316191" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinproject.com/coin_detail.php?coin=316191" rel="nofollow">2-050</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1286490[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>This bust is considered to be Ptolemy II, the son of Ptolemy I who was the founder of the Ptolemaic dynasty after the death of Alexander the Great. Ptolemy II struggled with the Seleucid Empire and promoted the Library of Alexandria. He also established the cult of Ptolemeic kings when he deified his mother and father.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1286523[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="2">Naples National Archaeological Museum, used under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5" rel="nofollow">CC BY 2.5</a> via <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ptolemy_II_MAN_Napoli_Inv5600.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ptolemy_II_MAN_Napoli_Inv5600.jpg" rel="nofollow">Wikimedia Commons</a></font></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Q2 - Zeus</b>: I see various references to Zeus and Zeus Ammon for this coin - I think my coin doesn't show an obvious horn - Zeus? Ammon? are they the same or is there an easy way to see the difference?</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Q3 - Condition/Rarity</b>: I only find 4 of the Zeus Ptolemy II properly attributed in ACSearch which suggests to me that this might be a difficult coin to find, I find 58 of the Isis Ptolemy V. I also expect that this are often misattributed - is there any good way to know what is common vs. rare for these coins? Were diobols at this time a well used coin - none of the four Ptolemy II that I did find are in much better condition than this one?</p><p><br /></p><p>Coins, comments, references, and corrections are always appreciated.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Post your coins of Ptolemaic Egypt or anything else that you find interesting or entertaining.</b>[/S][/S][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 7394037, member: 99456"][ATTACH=full]1286522[/ATTACH] [SIZE=2][URL='https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rosetta_Stone.JPG#/media/File:Rosetta_Stone.JPG']Rosetta Stone © Hans Hillewaert[/URL] used under [URL='https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/']CC BY-SA 4.0[/URL][/SIZE] I have quite a few Roman provincial Egyptian coins, but have not ventured much into the Ptolemaic era. This first coin is one that I find compelling for the portrait of Isis also for its link to Ptolemy V and the Rosetta Stone (or Memphis decree) affirming the royal cult of the king. The Rosetta stone a personal favorite stop in the British Museum along with the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_Map_of_the_World']Babylonian Map of the World[/URL]. [ATTACH=full]1286492[/ATTACH] [B]Ptolemaic Kings of Egypt,[/B] [S]Ptolemy V Epiphanes, 204-180 BC[/S] [B]temp. Ptolemy VI–VIII, circa 180-116 BC[/B], AE (25mm, 14.51 g, 12h), Alexandria mint, Series 6e [See note from [USER=84744]@Severus Alexander[/USER], below - series probably 7c based on weight and [URL='http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html']Wolf site[/URL] notes - which would also mean Ptolemy VI–VIII rather than V] [B]Obv:[/B] Head of Isis right, wearing wreath of grain ears, and her hair in long curls [B]Rev: [/B]ΠTOΛEMAIOY-BAΣIΛEΩΣ, eagle with open wings standing left on thunderbolt [B]Ref: [/B][URL='https://www.coin.com/images/dr/svoronos/svc001p173t.html']Svoronos 1235[/URL]; [URL='http://www.ptolemaic.net/SecondCenturyBC/pdfs/Faucher-Lorber-AJN-2010.pdf']Faucher & Lorber Series 6e or 7c[/URL]; SNG Copenhagen 247–8 [ATTACH=full]1286814[/ATTACH] [B]Note:[/B] Some useful information at [URL='http://www.ptolemaic.net/']Ptolemaic.net[/URL] I find myself fairly lost trying to differentiate rulers. As highlighted by Severus Alexander, I didn't have the attribution right on this Isis Coin, and I think I am right on the next one, Ptolemy II, but not knowing these coins well, I have many questions: [B] Q1 - Denomination[/B]: [URL='http://www.ptolemaic.net/SecondCenturyBC/pdfs/Faucher-Lorber-AJN-2010.pdf']Faucher and Lorber[/URL] were helpful, but I still don't know whether I should call this Isis coin a diobol, Denomination B or something else...is there a system of naming or a summary of the denominations and how they changed over the years? Here's a second coin from Ptolemaic Egypt: [ATTACH=full]1286466[/ATTACH] [B]Ptolemaic Kings of Egypt, Ptolemy II Philadelphos[/B], 285-246BC, AE Diobol (31.7mm, 20.79g, 12h), Alexandria mint, post-reform, series 3, Struck circa 261/0-246 BC [B]Obv: [/B]Diademed head of Zeus-Ammon right [B]Rev:[/B] ΠΤΟΛEΜΑΙOΥ BAΣΙΛEΩΣ, eagle with closed wings standing left on thunderbolt; ∆ between legs [B]Ref: [/B][URL='https://archive.org/details/tanomismatatoukrv1v2sbor/page/68/mode/2up?q=438']Svoronos 438[/URL]; Weiser –; SNG Copenhagen 156; Noeske –; [URL='http://B218']PCO B218[/URL]; CoinProject [URL='http://www.coinproject.com/coin_detail.php?coin=316191']2-050[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1286490[/ATTACH] This bust is considered to be Ptolemy II, the son of Ptolemy I who was the founder of the Ptolemaic dynasty after the death of Alexander the Great. Ptolemy II struggled with the Seleucid Empire and promoted the Library of Alexandria. He also established the cult of Ptolemeic kings when he deified his mother and father. [ATTACH=full]1286523[/ATTACH] [SIZE=2]Naples National Archaeological Museum, used under [URL='https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5']CC BY 2.5[/URL] via [URL='https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ptolemy_II_MAN_Napoli_Inv5600.jpg']Wikimedia Commons[/URL][/SIZE] [B]Q2 - Zeus[/B]: I see various references to Zeus and Zeus Ammon for this coin - I think my coin doesn't show an obvious horn - Zeus? Ammon? are they the same or is there an easy way to see the difference? [B]Q3 - Condition/Rarity[/B]: I only find 4 of the Zeus Ptolemy II properly attributed in ACSearch which suggests to me that this might be a difficult coin to find, I find 58 of the Isis Ptolemy V. I also expect that this are often misattributed - is there any good way to know what is common vs. rare for these coins? Were diobols at this time a well used coin - none of the four Ptolemy II that I did find are in much better condition than this one? Coins, comments, references, and corrections are always appreciated. [B]Post your coins of Ptolemaic Egypt or anything else that you find interesting or entertaining.[/B][/S][/S][/QUOTE]
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