Proof sets

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Nick57, Dec 1, 2018.

  1. Nick57

    Nick57 Member

    Has anyone ever had a older proof set (1964 or older) that has dark red spotting on the silver coins that are in sealed mint cellophane packages?

    I got a proof set a year ago from my local coin shop, but returned it a week later after finding the dark red spotting on the coins. I bought a different set on ebay advertised as toned. When I received the set the color of the toning was similar to the dark red of the previous set.

    I'll take some photos of my second set in a few hours after the sun comes up.

    The spotting looks like red phosphorus?
     
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Yup, I have seen this, particularly on the dimes. In fact, I had one 1961 set in which the entire dime had gone brick red.
     
  4. Nick57

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  6. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Yup, not that common, but not unheard of either. On the other hand, I have two 1955 flat packs that are all blast white.
     
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  9. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Look at the octagonal "badge". It seems obvious it is the source of the gas.
     
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  10. Nick57

    Nick57 Member

    So what is the cause of this effect? And why is it there?
     
  11. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Sulfur from paper mostly.
     
  12. Nick57

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  13. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    Flat packs and old proof sets :woot::woot::woot:
     
  14. Nick57

    Nick57 Member

    Or has the badge been effected by the source also?
     
  15. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    That answer is not obvious. I can see that some of the boundaries between the cells of the packaging are open. What I cannot see is whether the outer boundaries have opened. If they are, the source is probably external, almost certainly the manila envelope or info sheet.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I broke up a 62 set. The franklin was solidly toned both sides with this color, and the quarter / dime were Partial.
     
  17. Santinidollar

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    Could the toning itself be caused by degenerating cellophane? I’m not an expert on packaging, but it seems that stuff, at some point in time and depending on the storage environment, would simply come apart.
     
  18. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Mine was coming apart also, when I bought it, I bought 3 64' proof sets that were completely brilliant. two of them being accented hair Kennedys. And never associated it to being AT, just a reaction to it's storage conditions.
     
  19. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I like this theory. In fact, I always thought that "yellow '61 nickels" and "blue '62 nickels" were due to plastic breakdown components. But one nationally known cent and nickel specialist insists it's alloy trace elements.
     
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  20. Nick57

    Nick57 Member

    The outer boundaries appear to be intact. The ones between the coins show separation.

    The penny is showing a green tint around the rim.
     
  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Don't get Kurt going on the green. Just joking Kurt.
     
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