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<p>[QUOTE="Jim Johns, post: 2526548, member: 78172"]By finding these coins in rolls, isn't it quite possible that the Proof Like or very nice coins were struck from the 1965 SMS dies after their production since the 1964's had to be struck long into 1965? The dies of their attempt at the SMS Proof type coins would still have had their life cut short like a normal proof die I imagine. So in theory, they would probably use those dies first to continue the 1964 strikes after changing the 5 back to a 4 and refinishing the dies right? Also, they knew 1964 would be the last year for the composition used, so experimenting for 1965 SMS would be out of the question in early 1964 I would think. Something just tells me the SP 1964 coins had to have been struck in 1965. Either by changing the used SMS Dies or by refinishing the 1964 Proof dies to try producing an average Business Strike 1964 to continue the production. So the SP's may be the few rarities in existence but the same dies were probably used until they were retired, but only a select few show the quality of the original strikes from these dies. I'm not thinking these are it but the open ended story on the SP sets drives me crazy, mainly because of the crazy prices realized on something that can just as often be seen on other years where the first couple hundred coins are struck from refinished or retired proof dies. The details on the SP's are the same seen on many other coins that are PL or show planchet striations and polish lines. So $45k for a half dollar makes sense for 1964 because unlike most years, there is no record to base the fairy tale on. It was basically up in the air back in the 90's too and maybe someone made the sets you speak of and capitalized on that at the original auction and now they are what they are with no way to dispute their story.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jim Johns, post: 2526548, member: 78172"]By finding these coins in rolls, isn't it quite possible that the Proof Like or very nice coins were struck from the 1965 SMS dies after their production since the 1964's had to be struck long into 1965? The dies of their attempt at the SMS Proof type coins would still have had their life cut short like a normal proof die I imagine. So in theory, they would probably use those dies first to continue the 1964 strikes after changing the 5 back to a 4 and refinishing the dies right? Also, they knew 1964 would be the last year for the composition used, so experimenting for 1965 SMS would be out of the question in early 1964 I would think. Something just tells me the SP 1964 coins had to have been struck in 1965. Either by changing the used SMS Dies or by refinishing the 1964 Proof dies to try producing an average Business Strike 1964 to continue the production. So the SP's may be the few rarities in existence but the same dies were probably used until they were retired, but only a select few show the quality of the original strikes from these dies. I'm not thinking these are it but the open ended story on the SP sets drives me crazy, mainly because of the crazy prices realized on something that can just as often be seen on other years where the first couple hundred coins are struck from refinished or retired proof dies. The details on the SP's are the same seen on many other coins that are PL or show planchet striations and polish lines. So $45k for a half dollar makes sense for 1964 because unlike most years, there is no record to base the fairy tale on. It was basically up in the air back in the 90's too and maybe someone made the sets you speak of and capitalized on that at the original auction and now they are what they are with no way to dispute their story.[/QUOTE]
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