Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Exodus_gear, Feb 23, 2020.
I know it's either R Crescent A or R Crescent dot A
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Here is one of mine without any silvering left at all.
And another nearlyfully silvered
Oi, so it would be a flip of a coin basically to see if its one or the other under there. I'll have to think about this one for a bit. Just not too keen on the way mine looks at the moment.
You can see the typical amount of silver on a Probus coin on this reverse:
I know the feeling, aside from a bit of dirt left on it, I am not sure what else I could do aside from getting down to the base of it all. At the same time I worry that the coin has corrosion and I am better off leaving it the way it is.
The surprising thing is that the decline in the silver content isn't as linear as expected. It's a gradual but erratic progression with many coin series having unexpected spikes in the silver content. My interpretation is that assaying went out the window and the mints used whatever stock was available to make new coins. At some point was evidently costlier trying to squeeze out that last bit of silver than just focus resources on output.
@Inspector43 Both your coins would be attributed as RIC 911 Bust Type H from Cyzicus like these from my collection
First is CM / XXIQ
The Second is CM / XXIP
My second one seems to be XXIP. The other I haven't go deep enough into yet. Thanks for the feedback.
1. Probus, 276-282 AD, silvered billon Antoninianus, Cyzicus Mint 280 AD. Obv. Radiate bust left wearing imperial mantle and holding eagle-tipped sceptre, IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG / Rev. Sol standing facing in spread quadriga, with right hand raised, holding globe and whip in left hand, the horses spread, two on l. and two on r., SOLI INVICTO. CM in lower center above XXI Q in exergue (Officina 4 - Quarto). RIC V-2 Cyzicus 911, Sear RCV III 12041 (ill), Cohen 682, Pink [Karl Pink 1949], p. 44, series 3. 23 mm., 4.1 g.
2. Probus, silvered billon Antoninianus, Serdica [Sofia] Mint, 277-80 AD. Obv. Radiate, helmeted, and cuirassed bust left holding spear and shield, transverse leather strap across chest, IMP C M AVR PROBVS PF AVG/ Rev. VIRTVS PROBI AVG, Probus riding right on horseback, spearing enemy falling beneath horse’s hooves, with his shield lying under the horse. In exergue: KA • Γ [gamma] • (4th emission, Serdica, Officina 3). RIC V-2 878G(Γ); Cohen 912; Pink [Karl Pink 1949], 277. 24.31 mm., 3.26 g.
3. Probus, billon Antoninianus [no silvering left], Rome Mint, 279 AD. Obv. Radiate, helmeted & cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield, IMP PROBVS AVG/ Rev. Probus riding left, extending arm in salute & holding scepter, horse’s right front hoof raised over bound captive seated left, ADVENTVS AVG. In exergue: R - pellet in crescent - ς (digamma/sigma) [Officina 6]. RIC V-2 157(ς); Cohen 37; Pink VI/1 p. 57. 23 mm., 2.75 g. [See http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/probus/RIC_0157_digamma_dot_in_cresc_left.txt.]
Patchy silvering where it has worn away on about half the coin
Worn away at the high points
What silvering there might have been has turned to golden toning
No silvering left, just toned bronze
I am concerned with the roughness here that appears under the silver. My guess is modern replating. Would our CT Probus specialists care to comment?
Well, that would be a huge disappointment, even though I paid only $50 for the coin! So although I defer to your superior knowledge, I hope you're wrong this time. The roughness doesn't show up in the seller's image, although of course the photos I took are much closer up.
I bought this coin a couple of years ago from an ebay seller located in Chicago who seems to have been active on ebay from 2009 through 2018, but not since then. I see some of this seller's coins on member galleries at FORVM ANCIENT COINS, so I'm certainly not the only person who ever purchased from them.
Would anyone bother replating a $50 coin?
I am afraid that the answer to that is YES. Here is a Constantinian AE3 that appears to have been replated.
Full silvering on RIC 911s is possible but I would be troubled by surface roughness combined with full silvering as they should be mutually exclusive.
But why wouldn't the person have smoothed the roughness before doing the replating? Oh well. If you and Doug are correct, there's nothing I can really do about it at this point, is there? At least the coin still looks nice to me to the naked eye, to which none of this is noticeable.
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